<DIV>Well, I don't think completing the short degrees allows you to be call a Doctor. It is also important to mention that the old italian laurea fell slightly short of a PhD in terms of time and stardard required to obtain it.</DIV> <DIV>An the Italianian students will face what are master level classes from the first years of university, just focusing on his major.</DIV> <DIV>The term doctor, even if used in a jokingly way with people that not necessarily are doctors, it is actually much more respected in Italy than in America. To be a doctor is a real honor. As it is to be a engeneer, notary, attorney. We call professors even our high school teachers (that have to have a Laurea to teach) as a sign of respect. At least all this was true when I was in Italy almost 15 years ago.</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On
Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Amara Graps <AMARA@AMARA.COM>wrote:<BR>> At the other end of the spectrum is Italy, where one can be called a<BR>> 'Dr.' after a Laurea degree [2], there is even a shorter Laurea begun in<BR>> Berlusconi's last period, so one could legally (in Italy) be called a<BR>> Dr. after just a few years of university. And if you meet an Italian<BR>> older than their later 50s with a PhD after their name, then they did<BR>> not earn their PhD in Italy, since the PhD didn't exist (the PhD was<BR>> offered in Italy starting in the middle 80s).<BR><BR>Yes. I am not sure about the new short courses, but all and every old<BR>university degree were "doctorates" in Italian, in the very spirit of<BR>the Spanish king who rather than abolishing nobility at a point in<BR>time declared "todos caballeros", meaning that every citizen had been<BR>automatically knighted. :-)<BR><BR>In fact, it is quite funny that when asking for an espresso in
bar,<BR>one gets often the reply "there it is, doctor" even though the waiter<BR>hasn't the foggiest idea of what kind of education (primary school?)<BR>his patron may have completed.<BR><BR>There is something however where Italy and the US are similar, namely<BR>the fact that owing to the fact that American law schools, being<BR>postgraduate, started in the XX century to call their degree JD (juris<BR>doctor, or doctor in law), in both countries paradoxically a law<BR>student become a Doctor first and a Master (more specifically, LLM.,<BR>legum magister, master of law) later on, while this would not make any<BR>sense in France, Germany or the UK, where the progression is<BR>bacherlor/licensee, master, doctor in all fields.<BR><BR>Lastly, to be called doctor is a very umpleasant experience for an<BR>Italian lawyer, since it reminds you of your period of statutory<BR>training when you had not passed the bar yet, and thus people could<BR>not call you "attorney"...
:-)<BR><BR>All in all, I think I would gladly reserve the title of Dr. as a<BR>courtesy prefix to MDs...<BR><BR>Stefano Vaj<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>extropy-chat mailing list<BR>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org<BR>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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