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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kuromaku@hush.com">kuromaku@hush.com</a> wrote:
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:41:48 +0200 Kevin Freels
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<pre wrap="">(knowing the infantile
mentality of most military people),
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<pre wrap="">Can you please support this statement ?
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Well, to the extent I am aware of the situation,</pre>
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Research helps. My guess is that you have never been in the military
and have known relatively few who have served. I recommend that in the
future when you use the SWAG method, don't treat your assumption as
common knowledge. <br>
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<pre wrap=""> if the military
people were not infantile, I don't think they would follow orders
even when they come from people who have betrayed their country and
its constitution, </pre>
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So in your opinion, following orders in the military is the same as
being infantile? No other possibility? Like maybe the majority of the
military is made up of rational thinking adult human beings - some very
smart - who see their job as one of duty? Maybe they simply don't agree
that what they are doing is a betrayal. If you were talking about
people blindly following orders and killing and raping innocent human
beings like the holocaust, I would agree. But that's not what we're
talking about is it? Instead, you have an opinion of what the military
should or should not get involved in and since the military is doing
something different, you assume that they all must be intellectually
inferior to the average human being. ie ; disagreement with you =
infantile mentality. Using this logic, I must posses an infantile mind
as well. The same goes for anyone else here who has taken an issue with
anything you say. So my question is - why do you bother coming here and
dealing with our multitude of "infantile mentalities"? <br>
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<pre wrap="">and fought wars against the interests of
Americans (yeah, sure those wars must have been worth trillions to
your taxpayers.. good thinking military people to do the bidding of
your rulers instead of thinking what's good for your country..
bloody mature of you). </pre>
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The role of the military is not to make the decisions on the large
scale goals, only tactical targets to achieve the goals of the
commander in chief. This is for a specific reason. If everyone in the
military just did whatever they wanted when they wanted with no concept
of authority, then we would have total anarchy....NOT an improvement.
You need to step outside your little box and see it the way the
military sees it...."I may not agree totally, but the president was
ELECTED by the people and I am here to do the bidding of the people -
not myself". Of course you could never understand the idea of putting
yourself in harms way because you are trying to make the world a better
place. We can argue all day over whether the decisions to SEND the army
are right or wrong, but the chain of command is critical in any
military if it is going to actually accomplish anything but killing
each other or turn on it's own citizenry. I know a good many brilliant
people in the military. Have you considered that they are just in a
role that you are incapable of understanding? Of course not. Because
you are above that.....<br>
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<pre wrap="">I'd say they would have overthrown the
government and used their guns to make sure politicians wouldn't be
allowed to betray the citizens again if they were not infantile. Of
course they would also have executed quite a few people after
identifying some rational judges. And they would at least start
doing something like this right now if they were maturing.
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Sure, a bloodbath coup every time the military decides they don't like
the current administration. That's MUCH more mature. The more I read,
the more I think you are pulling my leg. What is the "betrayal" you
keep referring to? <br>
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Still, I could say I do find most other people infantile whether or
not they are in the military or not. That's why I think evolving a
bit more (ok, a lot more) as a species (or whatever) is so important.
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I agree we all have a long way to go. But to put yourself on some kind
of pedestal and believe that most people are infantile and you are one
of the elite few who aren't is kind of silly. I find it amazing that
you see yourself this way. You are no less prone to errors in judgment
than any other person out there as this post clearly indicates. If you
were really such an intellectually superior person you wouldn't spend
so much time insulting people and instead look at these things and see
what you can learn from them. <br>
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