Message: 16<br>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:06:20 -0400<br>
From: "Rafal Smigrodzki" <<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Use of Irony, or Miscommunication? (Was Re: Global<br>
Temperatures to Decrease<br>
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> iii) assuming that i) is true, and irrespective of whether ii) is true<br>
> or not, is it an entirely negative development?<br>
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### No! Global warming is good for you! Seriously, as in, I am not<br>
being sarcastic. It is predicted to increase agricultural productivity<br>
by perhaps as much as 40%, based on the Stanford research on grassland<br>
changes exposed to extra carbon dioxide. Even if parts of polar caps<br>
melted (quite unlikely, since they didn't melt 6000 years ago when the<br>
temperatures were higher than projected by IPCC), this still would not<br>
erase the gains to the economy.<br>
<br>I COMPLETELY CONCUR. U OF MINNESOTA HAS A COMPLEX COMBINATION OF GRASSES AND FORBES THAT<br>REQUIRE LITTLE INPUT IN COMPARISON WITH 300 BUSHEL CORN WHICH IN ENERGY TERMS THIS EMULATES.<br><br>SPEAKING AS A CANADIAN , WE INHABIT SOMETHING LIKE ABOUT A 350 MILE WIDE SLICE ALONG OUR SOUTH BOUNDARY. A TEMPERATE ARCTIC OR EVEN ONE WITH BIO CAPACITY OF A COOL RAINFOREST WOULD ENABLE US TO SUSTAIN THE SAME POPULATION AS CHINA INSTEAD OF ABOUT 33 MILLION. OR ABOUT A 40 FOLD<br>
INCREASE.<br><br>I BELIEVE THAT FOR THE BIOECONOMY TO BE OPTIMIZED THAT THE TERRAFORMING OF THE CLIMATE AND<br>CAPTURE OF MOST OF THE AVAILABLE CARBON AND WATER INTO BIOPRODUCTS OF SOME DESCRIPTION IS A FUNDAMENTAL REQUIREMENT.<br>
<br>THE KEY ISSUE IS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO NOT EXERT ANY EFFORT TO ADAPT TO CHANGE.<br><br>ADAPTATION IS A DYNAMIC INDUSTRIAL PROCESS AND WOULD NO DOUBT REQUIRE ENERGY WASTED ON WARS AND OTHER SOCIAL DIFFERENCES TO BECOME MORE PROFITABLY FOCUSED.<br>
<br>YES THE SHORT TERM AND BY THAT I MEAN PERHAPS SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS DISRUPTION OF WATER RESOURCES MAY REQUIRE A CONCERTED GLOBAL EFFORT TO LIVE WITH, BUT RESTORING THE PLANET TO THE DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT THAT SUPPORTED GLOBAL WIIDE JUNGLES AND DINOSAURS IS WORTH CONSIDERATION.<br>
<br>I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF THE RESOURCE EXPENDITURE WHICH IS CALLED THE GLOBAL SECURITY/WAR OR SUCH NAME BY OTHERS. HOWEVER, I WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SATISFIED IF THE TECHNOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENTS IN SATELLITE SENSING, ROBOTICS , COMMUNICATION AND BATTLEFIELD MEDICINE RESEARCH WOULD BE VERY QUICKLY BROUGHT BACK INTO THE CIVILIAN SECTOR AND COMMERCIALIZED MUCH LIKE THE<br>
ARPANET BECAME THE INTERNET.<br><br>BEFORE WE CONDENMN THE GLOBAL WARMING/COOLING DEBATE LETS REMEMBER THAT A MAJOR PART OF THE POPULATION WHO COULDN'T BE BOTHERED TO THINK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT NOW DOES.<br><br>NOW PERHAPS WE IN THE LIFESPAN EXTENSION FIELD CAN PLOT TO CREATE THE DEBATE AND PREPARATORY ACTIVITY ON THE SAME GLOBAL SCALE FOR OUR AREA OF SPECIAL INTEREST..<br>
<br>AFTER ALL THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT REALLY TAKE OWNERSHIP AND RESPONSIBILITY OF BOTH ISSUES<br>IS A POPULATION WHO MIGHT LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO EITHER ENJOY OR ENDURE THE RESULTS.<br><br>PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON A 75 YEAR LIFE CYCLE WILL NEVER THINK ON A 75 MILLION YEAR SCALE; <br>
NO MORE THAN BACTERIA WOULD PLAN ON A CENTURY LONG SCALE.<br><br>LETS LET MARKET ECONOMICS AND SELF INTEREST DRIVE SUPER-LONG-LIVED PEOPLE TO MAKE LONG TERM PLANS.<br><br><br>MORRIS<br>701-240-9411<br>
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> iv) assuming that i and iii) is true, and irrespective of wheher ii)<br>
> is true or not, should be avoided at any price, or (in other terms)<br>
> what price would be acceptable to avoid or limit it?<br>
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### No price is acceptable. You don't pay to prevent something that's<br>
actually good for you.<br>
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> Point ii) and iv) are important, because interestingly it appears from<br>
> polls that many people who would be ready to accept important<br>
> sacrifices to limit an anthropogenic global warming would not be<br>
> willing to accept a fraction of them to embark in geo-engineering<br>
> projects aimed at reducing a "natural", albeit equally adverse, global<br>
> warming.<br>
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> This clarifies well enough how poisoned by neoluddite mentality the subject is.<br>
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### You bet!<br>
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In this vein, it's amazing how low "Scientific American" fell. From a<br>
neat pop-sci magazine, now down to a commie rag, publishing some<br>
English teacher's tirades against economists:<br>
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<a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-economist-has-no-clothes" target="_blank">http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-economist-has-no-clothes</a><br>
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Rafal<br>
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