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Today's Topics:<br>
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1. Re: Software advice please (Giu1i0 Pri5c0)<br>
2. ExtroBritannia's June event: Technology risks and the<br>
survival of humanity (estropico)<br>
3. Thoughtware.TV: Technological Memes (Andres Colon)<br>
4. Technology advances replicators (Keith Henson)<br>
5. Re: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings (scerir)<br>
6. The New Milky Way (Damien Broderick)<br>
7. Air-powered cars (<a href="mailto:artillo@comcast.net">artillo@comcast.net</a>)<br>
8. dark matter (and -- shhhh! -- the F**** p-dox) (Jeff Davis)<br>
9. Cruisin' New Horizons (Amara Graps)<br>
10. Re: Air-powered cars (spike)<br>
11. Re: Air-powered cars (Keith Henson)<br>
12. Re: Cruisin' New Horizons (Kevin H)<br>
13. Re: Air-powered cars (Kevin H)<br>
14. Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions of the<br>
Future - Second Life, June 4, 5 (Giu1i0 Pri5c0)<br>
15. longevity dividend course OP-ED assignment 01 (Morris Johnson)<br>
16. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 02 (Morris Johnson)<br>
17. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 03 (Morris Johnson)<br>
18. Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 04 (Morris Johnson)<br>
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:15:36 +0200<br>
From: "Giu1i0 Pri5c0" <<a href="mailto:pgptag@gmail.com">pgptag@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Software advice please<br>
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On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Kevin Freels <<a href="mailto:kevinfreels@insightbb.com">kevinfreels@insightbb.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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><br>
> You may want to also look into building a Joomla website and use a forum<br>
> module. There's a steep learning curve, but once you get the hang of it,<br>
> it's a nice way to be able to manage content. Best of all, it's free and<br>
> open source. <a href="http://www.joomla.org" target="_blank">www.joomla.org</a><br>
<br>
Joomla is nice and reasonably easy to install and use. I still prefer<br>
Expression Engine, it comes with blogging and forum modules and many<br>
other things. Mediawiki is also easy to install and use.<br>
<br>
G.<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 01:56:47 +0100<br>
From: estropico <<a href="mailto:estropico@gmail.com">estropico@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] ExtroBritannia's June event: Technology risks and the<br>
survival of humanity<br>
To: <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br>
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Technology risks and the survival of humanity: Is emerging technology<br>
more likely to destroy human civilisation or to radically enhance it?<br>
<br>
The next ExtroBritannia event is scheduled for Saturday the 14th of<br>
June 2008, 2pm-4pm. Venue: Room 539 (fifth floor), Birkbeck College,<br>
Torrington Square, London WC1E 7HX. The event is free and everyone's<br>
welcome.<br>
<br>
This meeting previews and summarises some of the discussions that will<br>
be taking place in July at the (four day long) conference "Global<br>
Catastrophic Risks" that will be taking place in Oxford in July<br>
(<a href="http://www.global-catastrophic-risks.com/" target="_blank">http://www.global-catastrophic-risks.com/</a>)<br>
<br>
This is arguably the single most important topic that can ever be discussed!<br>
<br>
Risks worthy of review include:<br>
<br>
*) Runaway greenhouse effects and other drastic climate change - vs<br>
possible geo-engineering solutions and new, cleaner, sources of energy<br>
*) Nuclear wars provoked by catastrophic nuclear terrorism<br>
*) Supervolcanoes - potentially tamed by future super-strong nanomaterials<br>
*) A global pandemic of some horrible new disease<br>
*) Hazards from comets and asteroids<br>
*) The emergence of malevolent super-AI - vs the chance that super-AI<br>
will allow us to find better solutions to our existential risks<br>
<br>
Speakers who will lead the discussion include:<br>
<br>
Julian Snape - looking at technology risks and solutions from the<br>
point of view of both nanotechnology and possible collisions from NEOs<br>
(Near Earth Objects - comets and asteroids)<br>
<br>
John Dinsdale - looking at technology risks and solutions around<br>
Global Warming, Peak Energy (fossil fuel,nuclear) and EROEI (energy<br>
return on energy invested)<br>
<br>
Join the debate!<br>
<br>
Venue:<br>
<br>
Birkbeck College - Room 539, 5th floor, Main Building, Torrington<br>
Square (which is a pedestrian-only square), London WC1E 7HX ? MAP:<br>
<a href="http://www.bbk.ac.uk/maps" target="_blank">http://www.bbk.ac.uk/maps</a><br>
<br>
The nearest tube station is Russell Square. Come out of the tube<br>
station and turn left, to walk west along Bernard St. Cross over<br>
Herbrand St then Woburn Place and keep walking westwards, on the north<br>
side of the square. Cross Bedford Way, and turn right into Thornhaugh<br>
St, then immediately left to enter Torrington Square through the<br>
pedestrian-only courtyard outside SOAS (the School of Oriental and<br>
African Studies). Veer right and you'll see the main entrance to<br>
Birkbeck College on the left as you walk up Torrington Square. Take<br>
the lift to the 5th floor and follow the signs to room 539.<br>
<br>
Discussion is likely to continue after the event in a nearby pub, for<br>
those who are able to stay. There's also the option of joining some of<br>
the UKTA regulars for drinks/lunch beforehand, starting c. 12.30, in<br>
"The Friend At Hand" pub which is situated behind Russell Square tube<br>
station on Herbrand Street. If it's your first ExtroBritannia look out<br>
for a copy of Ending Aging on display on our table.<br>
<br>
Keep an eye on our mailing list and blog for updates:<br>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extrobritannia/" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extrobritannia/</a><br>
<a href="http://extrobritannia.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://extrobritannia.blogspot.com/</a><br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Fabio<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:03:19 -0400<br>
From: "Andres Colon" <<a href="mailto:andres@thoughtware.tv">andres@thoughtware.tv</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Thoughtware.TV: Technological Memes<br>
To: <a href="mailto:singularity@v2.listbox.com">singularity@v2.listbox.com</a>, "World Transhumanist Association<br>
Discussion List" <<a href="mailto:wta-talk@transhumanism.org">wta-talk@transhumanism.org</a>>, "ExI chat list"<br>
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I have to recommend you to watch this talk by Susan Blackmore, on the<br>
subject of Memes and "temes".<br>
<a href="http://www.thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/2191" target="_blank">http://www.thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/2191</a><br>
<br>
"Psychologist/memeticist Susan Blackmore proposes that there's a new layer<br>
of "selfish", evolving replicators in the making: just like cognitive<br>
replicators (memes) came into existence at some point during genetic<br>
evolution, relying on the genetic layer for their continued<br>
existence/replication but also controlling it to a certain degree, now<br>
'temes' (technological replicators) are emerging as a product of<br>
genetic-memetic evolution, to rely on both genes and memes for their<br>
survival/replication, while becoming more and more able to also exert<br>
control over both these layers."<br>
<br>
This kind contribution was added by Donjoe, community member at<br>
Thoughtware.TV<br>
<br>
Andres,<br>
President of Thoughtware.TV<br>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:27:44 -0700<br>
From: "Keith Henson" <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Technology advances replicators<br>
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Posted: June 3, 2008<br>
<br>
Prototype of machine that copies itself goes on show<br>
(*Nanowerk News*)<br>
<br>
Granted, this is not nanotechnology yet, but quite an interesting<br>
development nevertheless: A University of Bath academic, who oversees a<br>
global effort to develop an open-source machine that 'prints'<br>
three-dimensional objects, is celebrating after the prototype machine<br>
succeeded in making a set of its own printed parts. The machine, named<br>
RepRap <<a href="http://reprap.org/" target="_blank">http://reprap.org/</a>>, will be exhibited publicly at the Cheltenham<br>
Science Festival (June 4-8, 2008).<br>
<br>
RepRap is short for replicating rapid-prototyper; it employs a technique<br>
called 'additive fabrication'. The machine works a bit like a printer,<br>
but, rather than squirting ink onto paper, it puts down thin layers of<br>
molten plastic which solidify. These layers are built up to make useful 3D<br>
objects. [image: RepRap]<br>
<br>
RepRap has, so far, been capable of making everyday plastic goods such as<br>
door handles,sandals and coat hooks. Now, the machine has also succeeded<br>
in copying all its own 3D-printed parts. These parts have been printed<br>
and assembled by RepRap team member, Vik Olliver, in Auckland, New<br>
Zealand, into a new RepRap machine that can replicate the same set of<br>
parts for yet another RepRap machine and so on ad infinitum. While 3D<br>
printers have been available commercially for about 25 years, RepRap is<br>
the first that can essentially print itself.<br>
<br>
The RepRap research and development project was conceived, and is<br>
directed, by Dr Adrian Bowyer, a senior lecturer in engineering in the<br>
Faculty of Engineering & Design at the University of Bath, UK. Dr Bowyer<br>
said that: "These days, most people in the developed world run a<br>
professional-quality print works, photographic lab and CD-pressing plant<br>
in their own house, all courtesy of their home PC. Why shouldn't they also<br>
run their own desktop factory capable of making many of the things they<br>
presently buy in shops, too?<br>
<br>
"The possibilities are endless. Now, people can make exactly what they<br>
want. If the design of an existing object does not quite suit their needs,<br>
they can easily redesign it on their PC and print that out, instead of<br>
making do with a mass-produced second-best design from the shops. They can<br>
also print out extra RepRap printers to give to their friends. Then those<br>
friends can make what they want too." R<br>
<br>
ecently, Chris DiBona, Open Source Programs Manager at Google Inc,<br>
encouraged people to: "Think of RepRap as a China on your desktop."<br>
<br>
Sir James Dyson, Chief Executive of the Dyson Group, said: "RepRap is a<br>
different, revolutionary way of approaching invention. It could allow<br>
people to change the ergonomics of a design to their own specific needs."<br>
Dr Bowyer hopes people will come to the Cheltenham Science Festival and<br>
see both the 'parent' and the 'child' RepRap machines in action for the<br>
first time together.<br>
<br>
"RepRap is the most enjoyable research project I've ever run," he said.<br>
"Without the many talented and selfless volunteers the RepRap project has<br>
all round the world, it would have never succeeded so quickly."<br>
<br>
Complete plans for the prototype RepRap 3D printer and detailed tutorials<br>
to aid motivated amateurs (and professionals) in assembling one are<br>
available, free-of-charge, at the RepRap website (details below). The<br>
materials, plus the minority of parts that the machine cannot print, cost<br>
about ?300. All those non-printed parts can be bought at hardware shops or<br>
from online stores.<br>
<br>
Dr Bowyer and several of the other Reprap team members will be available<br>
to answer questions and exhibit the parent and child RepRap printers in<br>
operation at the Cheltenham Science Festival from June 4-8, 2008.<br>
<br>
Source: *University of Bath*<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:18:09 +0200<br>
From: "scerir" <<a href="mailto:scerir@libero.it">scerir@libero.it</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings<br>
To: "ExI chat list" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
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Cold fusion seems to be a real "effect".<br>
But the question is: whatever the<br>
(unknown) reaction [1], is there a measurable<br>
*excess* energy? To my knowledge [2], this<br>
measurement (heat, radiation, etc.)<br>
isn't easy at all.<br>
<br>
<br>
[1] There is a number of previously unknown<br>
reactions, in that field, in example see:<br>
<a href="http://www.aip.org/pnu/2008/split/865-2.html" target="_blank">http://www.aip.org/pnu/2008/split/865-2.html</a><br>
<br>
[2] Somebody pointed out the same thing here<br>
(scroll down) if I remember well<br>
<a href="http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html" target="_blank">http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html</a><br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:55:58 -0500<br>
From: Damien Broderick <<a href="mailto:thespike@satx.rr.com">thespike@satx.rr.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] The New Milky Way<br>
To: "'ExI chat list'" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
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<br>
from the blog of Adam Crowl, astronomer:<br>
<br>
<<a href="http://crowlspace.com/?p=133" target="_blank">http://crowlspace.com/?p=133</a>>The New Milky Way<br>
<br>
June 4th, 2008<br>
<br>
The latest view of our Galaxy, the Milky Way, can<br>
be found at the Spitzer Infra-Red Space Telescope?s newspages here?<br>
<br>
<<a href="http://gallery.spitzer.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2008-10b" target="_blank">http://gallery.spitzer.caltech.edu/Imagegallery/image.php?image_name=ssc2008-10b</a>>The<br>
New Galaxy<br>
<br>
?seems we?re now officially a few galactic arms<br>
short - two arms based on old hydrogen-based maps<br>
aren?t evidenced by actual star-counts and thus<br>
were an artefact of the limitations of<br>
hydrogen-based radio astronomy. The Galaxy is<br>
still a BIG place, but it looks more like a<br>
pretty barred spiral galaxy than a relatively<br>
dull ?grand-design? flocculent spiral like it did in the old maps.<br>
<br>
But why are spiral arms the way they are? It?s a<br>
puzzle, but one astrophysicists have no end of<br>
good ideas about - and then along come some new surprises, like this one?<br>
<br>
<<a href="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080602-aas-blackhole-mass.html" target="_blank">http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080602-aas-blackhole-mass.html</a>>Black<br>
Hole Mass determines tightness of the Spiral<br>
<br>
?seems the heftier the central Black Hole, the<br>
tighter the spiral arms. In our Local Group there<br>
are three big Spirals - ours, M31 (in Andromeda)<br>
and M33 (in Triangulum) - and the central Black<br>
Hole masses 4 million Solar masses (for the Milky<br>
Way), 180 million for M31, and just 1,500 for<br>
M33. M33 is a pretty loose spiral, though pretty.<br>
Andromeda?s M31 is tightly wound, from what we<br>
can see as M31 is tilted away from us. SO the<br>
Milky Way is somewhere between the two.<br>
<br>
But why the correlation? Dark Matter? Weird<br>
gravity lanes? Something in hyperspace? Who<br>
knows? And that?s why astronomy is both fun and worth doing?<br>
<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:10:50 +0000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:artillo@comcast.net">artillo@comcast.net</a><br>
Subject: [ExI] Air-powered cars<br>
To: ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
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<<a href="mailto:060520081810.11208.48482C2A000EA52700002BC82206999735010404079B9D0E@comcast.net">060520081810.11208.48482C2A000EA52700002BC82206999735010404079B9D0E@comcast.net</a>><br>
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<br>
<br>
Strangely enough, this is the first I've heard of this:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/" target="_blank">http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/</a><br>
<br>
what a shame we in the USA have to wait for such a thing to come around.<br>
Seems like a really simple idea, maybe I'll build one myself LOL<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:21:13 -0700<br>
From: "Jeff Davis" <<a href="mailto:jrd1415@gmail.com">jrd1415@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] dark matter (and -- shhhh! -- the F**** p-dox)<br>
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Here's the deal.<br>
<br>
The talk about dark matter uses terms like "non-baryonic", and<br>
otherwise asserts that dark matter is distinctly different from<br>
regular matter. But I have yet to find any evidence for the<br>
it-ain't-regular-matter presumption. The entire case, as far as I<br>
have been able to determine, comes from the fact that the "matter" in<br>
question is "dark". That, unlike "regular" matter, it can't be seen;<br>
that it doesn't emit any light or other EM; that it doesn't do what<br>
"regular" matter does, ie form cosmic dust clouds, stars, planets,<br>
galaxies, etc. The only actual, substantive, tangible thing that it<br>
does -- and which is the totality of evidence (that I have been able<br>
to find) establishing it's existence -- is its gravitational effect.<br>
And as far as I can tell, this is just, well.., you know, "regular"<br>
gravity. Not some special sort of dark matter gravity.<br>
<br>
So what's up? Did I miss something? Do any of youse guys know<br>
something more about this "dark stuff" -- other than that its dark?<br>
Something that would rise to the level of actual evidence that "dark<br>
matter" is not just regular matter that is well, you know,... dark?<br>
<br>
[Shhhhhh. Avert you eye's. Scroll past this next bit real quick<br>
like. Don't read it. And don't say anything if you do.]<br>
<br>
In discussions of the Fermi paradox Eugen L and John Clark have<br>
forcefully taken the position that if technologically adept<br>
space-faring civilizations were abundant in the universe, then at<br>
least one would have invented Von Neuman probes, and that we would<br>
"see" evidence in the form of cosmic engineering. At the same time<br>
Robert B., in related discussions re cosmic engineering, ie<br>
computronium-mediated matrioshka brains, Dyson spheres, etc, has made<br>
the point that, for most efficient energy use, a prime location for<br>
such structures would be in the darkness between stars. There, the<br>
outermost of the nested shells --each shell harvests the "waste"<br>
energy radiated from the inner adjacent shell -- that last, outermost<br>
shell dumps its waste heat into the cosmos at a temperature as close<br>
as feasible to the cosmic background radiation. Wouldn't such<br>
engineered structures, so located, be exceedingly dark? So is it<br>
utterly unreasonable to point to the so-called "dark matter",<br>
currently calculated to comprise 85-90 percent of the mass of the<br>
universe, and say, "There's your engineered universe, guys. Complete<br>
with 10-15 percent "green" space."?<br>
<br>
I don't know. My pre-singularity chimpy brain can't figure it out. I<br>
even put on a snazzy white lab coat and stood near an array of<br>
brushed-aluminum-fronted lab instruments with digital displays that<br>
made little beeping sounds, but it didn't help.<br>
<br>
Enhance me, please.<br>
<br>
Best, Jeff Davis<br>
<br>
Aspiring Transhuman / Delusional Ape<br>
(Take your pick)<br>
Nicq MacDonald<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 16:43:58 -0600<br>
From: Amara Graps <<a href="mailto:amara@amara.com">amara@amara.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Cruisin' New Horizons<br>
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In two days, New Horizons passes the orbit of Saturn (~10 AU). As you<br>
might recall, it was only the end of February 2007 (that's right, _last_<br>
year), that it passed Jupiter (~5 AU). It's zippin' at 65,803 km/h. Only<br>
the two tiny Helios spacecraft (mid-70s 250,000 km/h) breaks the record<br>
as the fastest manmade objects ever flown.<br>
<br>
See the data for New Horizon's trajectory here:<br>
<a href="http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/" target="_blank">http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/</a><br>
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Just 2594 days and 17 minutes to Pluto! ;-)<br>
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Amara<br>
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Amara Graps, PhD <a href="http://www.amara.com" target="_blank">www.amara.com</a><br>
Research Scientist, Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), Boulder, Colorado<br>
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Message: 10<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:01:53 -0700<br>
From: "spike" <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars<br>
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> ... On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:artillo@comcast.net">artillo@comcast.net</a><br>
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> Strangely enough, this is the first I've heard of this:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/" target="_blank">http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1260/</a><br>
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> what a shame we in the USA have to wait for such a thing to<br>
> come around.<br>
> Seems like a really simple idea, maybe I'll build one myself<br>
> LOL<br>
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Do the calcs first Artillo. They say a little more than one horsepower,<br>
then make the absurd claim of 70 mph for 120 miles. I can *guarantee you*<br>
those numbers are wrong. Perhaps they dropped a decimal point twice: I<br>
would believe a top speed of 7 miles per hour for 12 miles.<br>
<br>
Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always<br>
comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.<br>
<br>
spike<br>
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Message: 11<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:22:46 -0700<br>
From: "Keith Henson" <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars<br>
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On 6/5/08, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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snip<br>
><br>
> Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always<br>
> comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.<br>
<br>
Indeed.<br>
<br>
So what do we need for carbon neutral synthetic gasoline?<br>
<br>
At a recent conference a guy had worked out the numbers to suck carbon<br>
dioxide out of the air and combine it with hydrogen in a reverse<br>
combustion industrial operation.<br>
<br>
He got 79kWh/gallon. I have confidence in that number because the<br>
energy in a gallon of gasoline is about 38 kWh and this number is<br>
close to twice that.<br>
<br>
So if you want gasoline for about a dollar a gallon, you can do it on<br>
a megascale if you can get massive power in the penny or sub penny per<br>
kWh.<br>
<br>
If you assume 2kg/kW power sats and work the numbers backwards from<br>
penny a kWh, you can afford about $75/kg for the lift cost to GEO.<br>
That's easy with a space elevator, which takes about 15 cents of<br>
electricity and (if it cost $100 billion) a capital charge of<br>
$12.50/kg for an 800,000 ton per year delivery model.<br>
<br>
Reuseable heavy lift launch vehicles will do that for an incremental<br>
cost of about $300 a kg split between $1.5 billion for the rocket and<br>
$1.5 billion for operations. In 100 flights, a single rocket<br>
delievers 10,000 tons to GEO. ($3 billion/0.01 B kg)<br>
<br>
I have a proposal out to reduce this cost to at least 1/3 and perhaps<br>
1/6. I don't want to make it public just yet, but if you feel up to<br>
checking assumptions and my math, ask and I will send you a copy.<br>
<br>
Keith Henson<br>
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Message: 12<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:59:27 -0700<br>
From: "Kevin H" <<a href="mailto:kevin.l.holmes@gmail.com">kevin.l.holmes@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Cruisin' New Horizons<br>
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Amara Graps <<a href="mailto:amara@amara.com">amara@amara.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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><br>
> In two days, New Horizons passes the orbit of Saturn (~10 AU). As you<br>
> might recall, it was only the end of February 2007 (that's right, _last_<br>
> year), that it passed Jupiter (~5 AU). It's zippin' at 65,803 km/h. Only<br>
> the two tiny Helios spacecraft (mid-70s 250,000 km/h) breaks the record<br>
> as the fastest manmade objects ever flown.<br>
><br>
> See the data for New Horizon's trajectory here:<br>
> <a href="http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/" target="_blank">http://www.dmuller.net/newhorizons/</a><br>
><br>
> Just 2594 days and 17 minutes to Pluto! ;-)<br>
><br>
> Amara<br>
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Cool site, Amara. I used to track New Horizons on the NASA page (<br>
<a href="http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/whereis_nh.php" target="_blank">http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/whereis_nh.php</a>) but then I got out of the<br>
habit for some reason. But, I definitely think it is a cool program and at<br>
last we'll see the last former planet up close, and I won't even have to<br>
wait until I'm thawed out from my cryogenic slumber :)<br>
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Kevin<br>
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Message: 13<br>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:23:41 -0700<br>
From: "Kevin H" <<a href="mailto:kevin.l.holmes@gmail.com">kevin.l.holmes@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Air-powered cars<br>
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 6/5/08, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> snip<br>
> ><br>
> > Whenever one looks at the alternative means of hauling apes, one always<br>
> > comes away with a new respect for good old gasoline.<br>
><br>
> Indeed.<br>
><br>
> So what do we need for carbon neutral synthetic gasoline?<br>
><br>
> At a recent conference a guy had worked out the numbers to suck carbon<br>
> dioxide out of the air and combine it with hydrogen in a reverse<br>
> combustion industrial operation.<br>
<br>
<br>
That's an interesting idea, but how exactly is this done?<br>
<br>
But I agree with the premise: gasoline is far more energy dense than<br>
electric batteries will ever be. This really hit home when I was reading<br>
about the proposed specs of the upcoming Chevrolet Volt. It's 16 kWh<br>
battery, when fully charged, gives it a 40 mile range. But it has a<br>
gasoline "range extender" that does nothing but recharge the battery,<br>
attaining a range of 640 miles.<br>
<br>
It's an excellent step, I think, which is what is going to be needed in an<br>
energy-scarce world, so that people can choose which way they want to fuel<br>
their cars based on existing prices. Right now, electricity is cheaper than<br>
gasoline per mile, but with a large number of electric vehicles on the road<br>
the price of electricity might go up. Ah well, no such thing as a free<br>
lunch.<br>
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Kevin<br>
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Message: 14<br>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 11:18:07 +0200<br>
From: "Giu1i0 Pri5c0" <<a href="mailto:pgptag@gmail.com">pgptag@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions<br>
of the Future - Second Life, June 4, 5<br>
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Conference Report: The Future of Religions - Religions of the Future -<br>
Second Life, June 4, 5<br>
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Full text of my talk with SL chatlog<br>
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Message: 15<br>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:19:22 -0700<br>
From: "Morris Johnson" <<a href="mailto:mfj.eav@gmail.com">mfj.eav@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] longevity dividend course OP-ED assignment 01<br>
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LIVING HEALTHIER AND LONGER<br>
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<br>
Hey Kids , are you ready for anti-aging / regenerative medicine?<br>
"Get real Dad, be serious, act your age, get over your midlife crisis ,<br>
there is no such as anti-aging medicine , you are going to die sooner than<br>
you think so quit wasting your time and focus on making your last years as<br>
comfortable as possible" has been a typical response.<br>
I respond "ANTI-AGING MEDICINE really exists and the market for doctors who<br>
open anti-aging medical spas is currently 50 billion dollars per year with<br>
each patient worth 4-20,000 dollars per year in products and services. "<br>
Recent episodes of "60 minutes, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report and a<br>
Barbara Walters ABC Special on longevity" report that a certain Dr. Aubrey<br>
DeGrey is to this new frontier what David Suzuki and Al Gore are to<br>
environmentalism.<br>
The "Inconvenient Truth" is that the super wealthy are already the first<br>
customers, the investors and the owners and promoters of this entirely new<br>
form of medicine. Billions of real money are already committed to<br>
commercial products under development.<br>
What we are talking about is a medicine not just designed to rescue you from<br>
cancer, heart disease or degenerative conditions after they are diagnosed<br>
but a whole new system of medical care designed to prevent disease years or<br>
even decades before it might happen.<br>
Not everyone is convinced that even the garden variety anti-aging ideas are<br>
safe. Some recent headlines read.. "Antioxidant Vitamin E supplements may be<br>
deadly" and "Don't bank on anti-aging pills anytime soon - unless you're a<br>
worm"<br>
Some feel we have no business even poking around and tinkering with mother<br>
nature's secrets. Potential therapies have had a rough start here in the<br>
west but have taken root elsewhere. When stem cell technologies were banned<br>
in western countries, Chinese students just packed up their lap-tops and<br>
headed home to apply this new knowledge to a more receptive audience. This<br>
is how a cancer treatment called Gendicine originated. We in North America<br>
have a regulatory system that does not allow individual risk takers to move<br>
so rapidly to commercialize new medical technology. If computers and<br>
software had been regulated like medicine we would still be using Commadore<br>
64's and playing Pong. Unwillingness to take risks drastically reduces the<br>
possibility of benefit.<br>
According to Dr. S. Jay Olshansky of the University of Illinois a "longevity<br>
dividend" of lower health care costs, increased savings and worker<br>
productivity would result from a modest deceleration in the rate of aging by<br>
about seven years, and adequate funding could produce "dramatic advances in<br>
preventive medicine and public health within the next few decades."<br>
I am Morris Johnson . At age 52 , after spending 35 years reading scientific<br>
medical research journals I do not just follow fads . I am neither an<br>
uncritical enthusiast nor an uninformed skeptic. I personally venture out<br>
within the bounds of my personal means to use the best science the world has<br>
to offer in attempt to catch and surf the longevity wave and secure for<br>
myself a personal longevity dividend. I have designed and do follow my own<br>
personalized healthy lifespan management program.<br>
<br>
Is the science real or bogus. As I write this I have just begun a 10 week<br>
course to study this thing called the "longevity Dividend". Tomorrow I will<br>
attend a conference entitled "Improving Human Health 2 ? Metabolic<br>
Syndrome". Let me be your guide to take the mystery out of the term<br>
"Longevity Dividend" and lets explore together the promises and risks for<br>
not just baby boomers and their children but society as a whole. For<br>
example, how might longer healthier lives affect the economics of pensions,<br>
jobs and family relationships and medical care Systems.<br>
<br>
This 10 part series will bring you my findings , pose questions and perhaps<br>
add an opinion or two, if space permits.<br>
You may send your feedback "attention Pharmer Mo" at<br>
<a href="mailto:extropian.pharmer@gmail.com">extropian.pharmer@gmail.com</a><br>
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Message: 16<br>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:21:58 -0700<br>
From: "Morris Johnson" <<a href="mailto:mfj.eav@gmail.com">mfj.eav@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 02<br>
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02-Healthy Demographics<br>
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<br>
To accept "groundhog day" and succumb to death at the statistically<br>
predicted age of 85 or to defy statistics to keep motoring on , that is<br>
the question; whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows<br>
of social persecution for daring to hope to be able to flaunt youthful<br>
beauty at 113?.or by taking up arms against aging to transform it into<br>
"steady-state self-directed long-term self-improvement project".<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
"Holy purple shades of Hamlet's ghost Dad" respond my kids. "Are you going<br>
to make us listen to the statistics and demographics of how all you baby<br>
boomers with your funky old man diseases want to flush away your 53 trillion<br>
or so dollars of pension fund money and enslave our kids to satisfy your<br>
vain attempt to perpetuate your denial of the inevitability of your certain<br>
and timely death? "<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
"Yes", I respond "this family conference is about the demographics of<br>
aging". WE ARE THE GENERATION OF OLD PEOPLE WHO WILL RULE THE 21ST CENTURY,<br>
according to Ken Dychtwald Ph.D. in AGE POWER. We have a responsibility to<br>
learn how to use our power wisely!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Once we lived in fear of global starvation from uncontrollable population<br>
growth. Now China, Europe, Eastern Europe and Australia are all racing<br>
towards zero population growth as they reduce infant mortality, infectious<br>
disease and use planned parenthood. People only reduce family size after<br>
the threat of disease , malnutrition and racial conflict diminishes.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
A new challenge to a healthy lifespan, Metabolic Syndrome, has become an<br>
epidemic with over 25% of North Americans affected. "Improving Human<br>
Health-08" presenters define it as systemic insulin resistance resulting<br>
from a combination of (even modest ) obesity ("toxic waist ") , chronic<br>
silent inflammation, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, and impaired<br>
glucose tolerance. Good genes or regular physical activity can mask it but<br>
diabetes, atherosclerosis, coronary artery disease, stroke and cancer are its<br>
ultimate consequences. High risk groups include aboriginals whose genetics<br>
were never designed to cope with the rapidly digested carbohydrates of a<br>
supersized "McDiet". Metabolic syndrome develops most rapidly in<br>
people with<br>
depression, lack of self asteem, or a feeling of lack of control over<br>
personal circumstances. Young adults whose lifestyle also includes<br>
smoking, drinking, risky recreational drug combinations , a poor quality<br>
diet, and sedentary lives may be the first generation since 1850 to<br>
reverse the trend towards increased longevity. Researchers suggest the<br>
"Mediterranean food pyramid", regular exercise, low glycemic index (slowly<br>
digestible) carbohydrates and certain foods and nutritional supplements as<br>
countermeasures (<br>
<a href="http://www.machineslikeus.com/cms/news/the-secret-long-life-may-not-be-genes" target="_blank">http://www.machineslikeus.com/cms/news/the-secret-long-life-may-not-be-genes</a>).<br>
What really drives healthy longevity gains is education and disposable<br>
income in that order. Educated affluent boomers seek out solutions without<br>
regard to cost while a disproportionate number of the lower socioeconomic<br>
groups , unsure of a solution do nothing . Ironically, those with less<br>
ability to buy into the new health technologies are also destined to have to<br>
remain healthy enough to become the caregiver population for the affluent<br>
boomers.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Statistics show we are living longer at the average rate of 2.5 years every<br>
decade and this longevity gain is accelerating despite the growing gap<br>
between subpopulations. The gap between Healthspan (healthy vibrant<br>
productive lifespan) and total lifespan will replace poverty as the<br>
scourge of the 21st century (<a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/84396/" target="_blank">http://www.alternet.org/story/84396/</a>). We must<br>
remain healthy, active and part of society and like the "one hoss shea"<br>
only fall apart the very instant before death. Failure to do this means<br>
physically and mentally frail elderly boomers will be 35-70% of the<br>
population in 2050. This will be an absolutely intolerable "dependency<br>
ratio" for the young to bear.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Suppose if you will, that problem and solution to this "historically<br>
insoluble enigma" are one and the same. Pensioners and pension fund owners<br>
have 53 trillion reasons to replace palliative medicine with regenerative<br>
medicine. A world that can spend trillions on old-fashioned wars can just<br>
as easily spend trillions in a "War against Aging". Imagine if a war on<br>
premature death could produce extended longevity. Just as the computers of<br>
2008 would have been magic in 1908, the medicine of 2108 after the "War<br>
against Aging" has nearly a century under its belt may be nothing short of<br>
a magic show. Can we "bootstrap it" with what we know today well enough to<br>
make it to that show regenerated instead of frail. Every war has to have a<br>
"flashpoint" to start. Fortunately, a "War for Healthy Longevity" can<br>
ignite from any of 7 scientifically accepted Pandora's "tinder" boxes.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
In part 3 I will detail what we think we know that can be used to make our<br>
healthspan equal to our lifespan. You may send your feedback attention<br>
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Message: 17<br>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:23:59 -0700<br>
From: "Morris Johnson" <<a href="mailto:mfj.eav@gmail.com">mfj.eav@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 03<br>
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03-Healthy Biology<br>
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All living things have metabolism, metabolism continually causes damage ,<br>
damage eventually causes pathology , pathology is disease, and leads to aging<br>
then death. Mother nature made biology so complicated so every generation<br>
would have no choice but to grow up, reproduce, nurture offspring and then<br>
get dead as fast as possible to make room for the next go round.<br>
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"You know what dad, We think there's hope for you yet. Let's see you weasel<br>
out of this one".<br>
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"To do justice to the topic this time, the kids are going to see dad sweat ,<br>
by golly", says I.<br>
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Metabolism is the incredibly complex network of molecular and cellular<br>
processes that keep us alive. Gerontologists study metabolism. Pathology is<br>
the network of molecular processes that kill us. Geriatricians study disease<br>
pathology. A whole new breed of anti-aging specialists study and treat the<br>
missing link, damage. <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23358964/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23358964/</a> documents<br>
how some simple regenerative measures are now part of integrative<br>
(combining of all possible options into a carefully planned package)<br>
medicine.<br>
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You can turn an old car into a vintage classic car by assessing the<br>
condition then systematically repairing the old damage , then continue<br>
watching for new damage and fix that too. Why can't you do the same with<br>
people? That's the "engineering approach" proposed by Dr Aubrey de Grey,<br>
founder of the Methusalah Foundation., Cambridge , UK. He has raised 10<br>
million dollars of funding in the last 2 years and awards funding for<br>
research towards creating a replicatable animal model, the Rejuvenated<br>
Robust "Methusalah" Mouse (MM). Simply put take a mouse as old as a 55 year<br>
old human (in mouse years) and give it 3 times its remaining life<br>
expectancy , all in good health.. If you use these same age retarding<br>
techniques on people you should halve the rate of damage and add 30 extra<br>
healthy years to the 30 expected for a 55 year old and raise total<br>
healthspan by 20% overall.<br>
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Aubrey sees damage repair as the critical control points that reduce the<br>
metabolic hazards to an acceptable level and manage the risk of diminished<br>
quality of the finished product, lifespan.. Aubrey has segmented the damage<br>
into 7 categories: junk inside cells, junk outside cells, too few cells, too<br>
many cells, chromosome mutations, mitochondria (energy producing<br>
intracellular organelles) mutations and protein crosslinks. For each<br>
category there is a proposed repair strategy. The sum of these strategies<br>
is termed "engineered negligible senescence" (SENS)[<br>
<a href="http://richardjschueler.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56847" target="_blank">http://richardjschueler.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=56847</a> ] . Later in<br>
this series I will discuss the safety and efficacy of specific current<br>
therapies as they relate to the "seven deadly sins of metabolism". These<br>
interventions are at various stages of research, development and clinical<br>
and every day commercial application. Aubrey states that you don't have<br>
to repair all the damage at once. If you start at the "biological age" of<br>
55 and select the most critical areas and fix HALF THE DAMAGE you should<br>
double the total healthspan and raise the remaining healthspan 5 times. The<br>
goal for a commercial regenerative medicine industry would be to reduce the<br>
remaining damage each time therapy is undertaken and implement increasingly<br>
more effective repair. Eventually repair happens faster than new damage<br>
occurs.<br>
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FYI-Watch the BBC TV series " How to Build a Human 4of4 - Forever Young (60<br>
minutes) 1/6 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ZAhdSidzk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ZAhdSidzk</a><br>
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2/6 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=necHabLN37Q" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=necHabLN37Q</a><br>
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3/6 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cAIPTPIL7A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cAIPTPIL7A</a><br>
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4/6 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqoT1oCEBI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqoT1oCEBI</a><br>
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5/6 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObrLpV8ric" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObrLpV8ric</a><br>
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6/6 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkf23Nn9qX0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkf23Nn9qX0</a><br>
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Aubrey has coined the term "Longevity Escape Velocity" as the rate at which<br>
rejuvenation therapies must improve in order to hope to outpace the<br>
accumulation of damage they cannot currently fully repair.<br>
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Compare this to manned flight, an insoluble problem since the dawn of<br>
civilization until 1903. Once the Wright Brothers made the first proven<br>
flight, everything was copied and improved upon until today we can fly just<br>
about anything anywhere. For a sneak peek into the future see :<br>
<a href="http://transcurve.net/blog/aaron/10-reasons-you-will-live-to-1000" target="_blank">http://transcurve.net/blog/aaron/10-reasons-you-will-live-to-1000</a>.<br>
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My next piece will detail the issues surrounding the bioethics debate about<br>
purposefully increasing healthy longevity. You may send your feedback<br>
attention "Pharmer Mo" at <a href="mailto:extropian.pharmer@gmail.com">extropian.pharmer@gmail.com</a><br>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:25:18 -0700<br>
From: "Morris Johnson" <<a href="mailto:mfj.eav@gmail.com">mfj.eav@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [ExI] Longevity Dividend Course OP-ED Assignment 04<br>
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04-Healthy Ethics<br>
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"Trust me we know what's good for you dad and we'll always do the (ethical)<br>
right thing".<br>
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I know you mean well, but if what you deem ethical and right for me is<br>
blocked by legislation or regulation; will you let me die? The Readers"<br>
Digest thesaurus of synonyms calls moral, decent, virtuous, upright, proper,<br>
fitting, correct, just, fair, aboveboard and kosher "ethical" and<br>
underhanded, shady, improper, unfair, lowdown, nefarious, unbecoming,<br>
unseemly, indecorous, immoral and indecent "unethical. "<br>
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Ethics are not fixed and can be skewed by "moral hazard", the punishment we<br>
get or cause for doing good deeds. Moral hazard occurs when there are<br>
more beneficiaries to death than life. The value of a "Quality Adjusted<br>
Life Year" (QALY)[mathematically derived value of a year of perfect health]<br>
for a patient determines if an HMO or public payor will contribute and how<br>
much towards a medical good or service. For example a simple vaccination<br>
for HPV when allowed under medicare can have a $100,000 /QALY value if it is<br>
deemed that the population based average risk of death from cervical cancer<br>
is too low. Then a "sensitivity analysis" can be done and criteria which<br>
modify the accessibility are developed so that the adjusted QALY value is<br>
reduced to an acceptable number, usually less than $50,000/QALY saved.<br>
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Ethics of institutionalized Ageism is demonstrated thusly: If a youth dies<br>
it's a loss of potentially productive life ; If a frail elderly person dies<br>
it's a blessing to see them free of pain and suffering. "Living Wills" are<br>
spun to be a way for the frail or terminally ill to relieve health care<br>
providers of the need for heroic or long term end of life palliative<br>
measures. The moral hazard is that the last year of life is extraordinarily<br>
expensive. The payor saves by being able to redistribute the savings to<br>
other covered services or shareholders. In 2008 in Saskatchewan when 43.7%<br>
of every tax dollar went to healthcare, the average cost of all the health<br>
care goods and services was $4,360 per person. Saving $5-30,000 by socially<br>
accepted forms of passive euthanasia VS allowing expensive experimental,<br>
risky heroic long shot measures which may provide insights into how to<br>
better treat the next person show how ethics and moral hazard can collide as<br>
an ethical conundrum. Canada's "progressive licencing" for new<br>
pharmaceuticals is a step towards managing this hazard.<br>
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( <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-release-trial-drugs-to-patients.html" target="_blank">http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-rele<br>
ase-trial-drugs-to-patients.html</a><<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-release-trial-drugs-to-patients.html" target="_blank">http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19826523.800-canada-to-release-trial-drugs-to-patients.html</a>><br>
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Our culture does not allow "honor killing" within families or maintaining a<br>
one child policy and selecting for that child to be a son by killing newborn<br>
girl babies however, a Seattle Washington man ,Timothy Garon, who used State<br>
Law approved medical marijuana to ease his pain from advanced hepatitis was<br>
knocked him off the elegibility list for a liver transplant and left to die<br>
recently.<br>
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Some say taxpayer paid universal medicare creates an incentive to act<br>
irresponsibly because the safety net will catch you. Cost shared coverage<br>
of preventative care should yield savings over the total life-cycle of a<br>
patient. <a href="http://www.fightaging.org/archives/001479.php" target="_blank">http://www.fightaging.org/archives/001479.php</a> briefly considers the<br>
economic costs Vs benefits of the longevity dividend<br>
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Let me set out some of the common arguments against enhancing adult<br>
longevity as set down by George Dvorsky in his presentation to the "securing<br>
the Longevity Dividend" meeting. George states that critics contend that<br>
death has value by giving meaning to life, providing for the need for<br>
morality, allowing for self-sacrifice, preventing excessive risk aversion,<br>
making beauty exist and providing a vital imperfection. Some say that it<br>
would be cost prohibitive, people would have unequal access and that<br>
distribution would be unfair. Some say the motivations are questionable, are<br>
of no known social good, produce anti-social behavior, there are more<br>
pressing concerns for society to deal with (global security and geopolitical<br>
gamesmanship) and that individual actions are against the collective best<br>
interest (<a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/anissimov20080513/" target="_blank">http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/anissimov20080513/</a> ).<br>
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The wealthiest 1 percent of USA households household income averages 190<br>
times the national average , own 34.3% of the nations wealth and include the<br>
Forbes 400 whose 2006 wealth was 1.25 Trillion dollars.<br>
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This is more than the combined wealth of the bottom 90 percent. Power and<br>
money trump ethics so how does the rest of society manage the moral hazard<br>
of undeniable access to lifespan enhancing and extending and enhancement<br>
therapeutics ( <a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/cebys08/" target="_blank">http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/cebys08/</a> ) for some and<br>
QALY limited access for everybody else?<br>
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My next piece will provide details of life extending therapeutics which have<br>
a wide range of accessibility, cost and proof of efficacy. Some have been<br>
available for years and some are years from the commercial market.<br>
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This series was meant to help you plan for the future based by developing<br>
your own personal pro-health and longevity strategic action plan.<br>
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You may send your feedback attention "Pharmer Mo" at<br>
<a href="mailto:extropian.pharmer@gmail.com">extropian.pharmer@gmail.com</a><br>
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