Spike wrote:<br><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span><font size="2">Come now Johnny, I know you
personally and I know you are the nicest guy on ExI-chat. Many women would
be thankful to have you and wouldn't break your heart. Be sure you are
looking for them in the right places pal. Someone out there who knows a
single young lady of transhumanist mindset, do have them contact John
Grigg. I can assure them they will not be
disappointed.</font></span></font><br>>>><br><br>This is very high praise, indeed! I'm blushing! : ) Thanks, Spike.<br><br>Dagon, your comments and links about the Goth subculture were fascinating to me. I did not think of Goths as "losers" but did assume they reveled in a rich but negative fantasy life and were snobbish & not necessarily the upwardly mobile to the extent you say. I had the mainstream American public's opinion of Goths (probably coming from the lyrics and imagery of various bands), rather than having an insider's take on things. I wonder to what extent European Goth culture differs from the American? But I would like one day to get an Emo's perspective on this discussion, considering what you said.<br>
<br>I tend to agree with you that even the supposedly spoiled (and in some ways they are) youth of the 1st world have it actually pretty hard. Japanese young people are in my view at the forefront of this, but all kids in the developed world feel the pressure to fit in, compete and perform educationally and professionally in a very competitive society, and yet also have a personal/spiritual/family life that matters. Some youth have the right combination of nature & nurture (or at least nature) to succeed in our demanding and high-tech environment, but there are quite a few who just don't have what it takes to make it and get their slice of the American Pie.<br>
<br>But I do admit that being a citizen of the 1st world pressure cooker is *vastly* better than living in a Latin American, Asian or African ghetto where basic medicine, healthy and plentiful food, civil liberties, adequate shelter and education are only a dream. But many living legally in our "wondrous" 1st world still don't have all their basic living needs met. <br>
<br><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>Dagon wrote:<br>Here's how the biggest goth of the known universe, the inventor of the whole vampire thing turned out: Used to hang with him in Amsterdam a while:</span></font></font><br>
>>><br><br>How did your friend wind up inventing the whole Goth/vampire thing? He sounds like quite an individual! <br><br>you wrote:<br><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>He had girls so pretty, so kinky, so amazingly attractive you'd swallow your words in a second. And he got loaded of selling vampire parafernalia, teeth and lenses.</span></font></font><br>
>>><br><br>The women were drawn to him because he played the role of the "vampire lord?" Good looks? Charm? Intelligence? Lots of money? I have read females tend to be very attracted to creative/artistic men. I suppose the first substantially enhanced transhumans will have an even greater attraction to potential lovers.<br>
<br>you continue:<br><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><font size="2"><span>As an another example, here is an example why some goth chicks drive me insane with desire.</span></font></font><br>>>><br><br>She is gorgeous. The Goth look for a women (at least to me) is extremely seductive and enhances female physical beauty. Again, I can envision genetically modified women in the decades ahead who will embody the Goth ideal of beauty as no one really could in our present time. I hope you are able to handle it when you are driven *past* the point of insanity! lol <br>
<br>Based on what you said regarding the "Goth work ethic," it sounds like I should tell my brother to encourage his son (when he gets old enough) to become a member of this subculture! And to think that in the old days kids became Boy Scouts for a leg up in life! ; )<br>
<br>John <br><br>