<font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><font size="2"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">This I really don't get, for it
seems to me this whole memeset keeps popping up, yet modern youth have it <br>so
made in so many ways, I can't imagine why the notion doesn't quietly go
extinct. There are so many <br>opportunites today, not just knocking but
tearing the door off the hinges, I fail to grasp why the whole weird <br>clothing,
dark is this veil of tears attitude. Here's a good insprirational song for
them, from thirty years ago, <br>a straight up rock anthem that tells it like
it was then and is now: </span><br><br>I am shocked at your superficiality and judgementalism. First lets distinguish a few things. I used to be <br>goth-oid and there is a distinct difference between goth and emo. Then among goths there are distinctly<br>
different streams of feeling too. I never considered myself "emo", largely because emo is a curseword. In<br>the late 90s being emo was an insult, however - the young kids in this whole scene the last few years picked<br>
that up and assimilated it, acting emo. <br><br>The idea "there are so many opportunities" and youth "so having it made" <b><i>is completely ludicrous</i></b>. Its not true -<br>In my book, the amount of severe stress levelled on the young is killing a small percentage of them. There <br>
<a href="http://children.webmd.com/news/20070906/food-additives-may-make-kids-hyper">may be other factors at play</a> here but by and large we live in an unhealthy environment. The biggest problem<br>is the same as we have in prisons, and the results are more and more tending towards the same. In an average<br>
prison you push wildly different people together, by force. You create a world of very different expectation<br>models, very flawed archetypes and very arbitrary principles. You make em choose and suffer callous<br>consequences of most of these choices. Actually I am amazed not more buckle. Through my work I come in<br>
contact to young kids a lot. In the place I go, there is one who can be labeled goth-punk, and she is a small<br>chubby girl who is acting out a little. <br><br>- <a href="http://www.comparativeguide.com/reports/softly.pdf">http://www.comparativeguide.com/reports/softly.pdf</a><br>
- <a href="http://ambafrance-do.org/depression/16359.php">http://ambafrance-do.org/depression/16359.php</a><br>- <a href="http://www.searchsa.com.au/Diary/Diary_Article.asp?aid=69">http://www.searchsa.com.au/Diary/Diary_Article.asp?aid=69</a><br>
<br>Here's how the biggest goth of the known universe, the inventor of the whole vampire thing turned out: Used to hang <br>with him in Amsterdam a while: <br><br>- <a href="http://www.morsure.net/local/cache-vignettes/L375xH249/vampyreparis-081-bd-d450b.jpg">http://www.morsure.net/local/cache-vignettes/L375xH249/vampyreparis-081-bd-d450b.jpg</a><br>
<br>He had girls so pretty, so kinky, so amazingly attractive you'd swallow your words in a second. And he got loaded <br>of selling vampire parafernalia, teeth and lenses. <br><br>- <a href="http://www.vampires.nu/">http://www.vampires.nu/</a><br>
<br>example: succesful goth: <br><br>- <a href="http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/03/16-22/tim-burton-family.jpg">http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/03/16-22/tim-burton-family.jpg</a><br><br>As an another example, here is an example why some goth chicks drive me insane with desire.<br>
<br>- <a href="http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6226048">http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6226048</a><br>- <a href="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=153868611">http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=153868611</a><br>
<br>Let me tell you. That aint emo. That is celebrating life. <br><br>In enclosed, repressive environments, like prisons, or pig farms, the animals will develop stress traumas. They<br>will start biting off their own paws. You see the same in this whole emo scene, with the cutting and assorted<br>
other self-abusive behavior types. Goth isnt about that. I know few more intense, artistic, life embracing and <br>determined types than the goths I knew. You call these selfdestructive or whiny, yet most were studying harder<br>
than their peers, playing harder and getting better career opportunities. In my country, where the maroccan<br>low opportunity classes used to blow, hang around on corners, spitting on goths, or drawing knives, the goths<br>
used to quietly skulk and ten years later got a career job while the maroccans were mopping an office or <br>getting welfare.<br><br>As a result we are seeing the first population of maroccan emos appearing. <br><br>The emo's are the crowd with actual SOLID mental derangements. They even get picked on by the goths and<br>
occupy the lowest rung in the judgemental, exclusive world we live in. They cant afford real goth so they improvise.<br>And in doing so they get stuck in a sekfreinforcing cycle of selfloathing, isolation, wallowing. Eventually they<br>
start hurting themselves, by drugs, or literally cutting themselves. <br><br>example: emo as a pincushion strategy: <a href="http://nitespyder.com/FatGothKid.jpg">http://nitespyder.com/FatGothKid.jpg</a><br>Example: cutting: <a href="http://www.essortment.com/articles/self-injury_100006.htm">http://www.essortment.com/articles/self-injury_100006.htm</a><br>
<br>The basic idea is : the subject feels literally so overwhelming pain in my mind, he or she or it cuts the body, to<br>feel control. As soon as this person sees the blood well up, she feels control and the intense pain inside abates. <br>
I used to do a similar thing because of chronic pain, when fitnessing, nothing new there. <br><br>By the way, I could give you a list of famous people who do this. Angelina Jolie, who takes antipsychotics and <br>antidepressants, used to cut and she had all the symptoms of this scene. Now why, with all her success, would<br>
she go on sustaining a meme like this? <br><br>- <a href="http://theenvelope.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-02/35677048.jpg">http://theenvelope.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-02/35677048.jpg</a><br>- <a href="http://www.gotomycodes.com/userpics/myspacegraphics/Female-Celebrity/Angelina-Jolie-Bloody.jpg">http://www.gotomycodes.com/userpics/myspacegraphics/Female-Celebrity/Angelina-Jolie-Bloody.jpg</a><br>
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