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John,<br>
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Yea, wouldn't you like to have a concise and quantitative sumary of
what all finally resulting positions of all participants, in all
conversations on all the best topics were for the last 15+ years. Good
luck with mining for that information even if you do get good access to
all the archives.<br>
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All I can say to this Shirky article us duu. As he said, many people
have understood these issues for decades.<br>
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And the fact that he is so anti scale, as in:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> You have to find some way to protect your own
users from
scale.</p>
is just BS, if you ask me. He's only saying this because he hasn't YET
seen a system that allows every member of huge groups (millions+) to
effectively communicate to each individual. This is the problem that
is still killing the entire internet, and indeed all of society. And
his faithless views of inability to have powerful reputations, based on
such effective means of communications from huge groups to individuals
is another still primitive failing of his thinking.<br>
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The exponentially growing community of researchers working on the study
of the mind is the quintessential problematic community. Everyone,
despite their increasing intelligence, very childishly, never making
progress on issues that have been arround forever, loudly in ever more
complex ways, repeating yes it is, no it isn't, yes it is assertions
forever. Chalmers bibliography has surpassed the 18000+ publications
on consciousness and the growth of all this piled higher and deeper
crap is accelerating. No one is reading much of any of it, and
everyong is pilling it on higher and deeper. And now that everyone can
create a blog, and the poor attempt at consciousness communities, only
makes things infinitely worse and more repetitive and childish.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://canonizer.com">http://canonizer.com</a>, in addition to naturally addressing all these
issues Shirky mentions, easily scales to any size. Finally allowing
huge groups to communicate to each individual in custom selected
prioritized ways the reader selects.<br>
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In a year or so, we are going to finally know concisely and
quantitatively what the most well accepted theories of consciousness
are both according to the general population, and also according to a
quantitatively measured group of 'Mind Experts' (and many other
canonizable ways). See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/81">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/81</a>, and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/23</a> to see the seeds of this accelerating
process.) And it is my bet that finally knowing this kind of stuff
will rock the world.<br>
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But of course, non of you believe any of this yet do you?<br>
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What is it that you believe?<br>
Everyone wants to know.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://canonizer.com">http://canonizer.com</a><br>
<br>
Brent Allsop<br>
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John Grigg wrote:
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cite="mid:2d6187670811131927y6b21ff7fr59b3cb79181f8ccf@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Spike wrote:<br>
>Certainly in the<br>
>old days (mid 90s) we took on a lot more heavy topics.<br>
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Ahhh...., the whispered about age when giants bestrode the Extropian
list, that was a vast five years or so before I joined in '99. Spike,
do you know of people who have archived the list from those days and
could share some of the more impressive threads?<br>
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What were some of the heavy topics that your remember? And what were
some of the conclusions reached (if any)?<br>
<br>
John : )<br>
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