Yes, I agree - I am envious of the Japanese model, including<a href="http://www.japanesestudies.org.uk/discussionpapers/Chapple.html"> the drop in<br>population</a> Japan will experience. the resulting headstart they will have in <br>
robotics and maybe even sensescence reversal. But again you skip the<br>deeper questions of poverty in the world and appear to answer to an article<br>you think I wrote than the one I did actually write. <br><br>I do not want immigration based on low pay jobs of poor, undereducated<br>
people to richer countries. Its a demographic disaster. Its an integration<br>disaster. It breeds crime. It is equivalent to chattel slavery and worst of all<br>it wrecks the country of origin, draining all the most motivated workers<br>
who might in fact be building up a real economy instead of one based on<br>a steady flow of cheques. If temporary workers come to a country working, <br>I love them doing so under temporary contract and getting the hell out when <br>
they are done. <br><br>I say there are very few solutions in this area, and whats been done in<br>Europe and the US is not acceptable. The problem is we are stuck with this<br>situation and some people only make it WORSE by waving around a brick<br>
of handwavium, suggesting that more cops, internment caps, barbed wire, <br>more prisons, stricter laws, more traditional values, prayer in schools, <br>laws against P0rN, sundayschool will make it all get better. <br><br>
If you do reply, please take into account in your answer that, for all I care the<br>old dichotomy between left (liberal, pro-immigration, gay) and right (conservative, <br>pro-law, anal retentive) is DEAD DEAD DEAD for all I care. I am not a part of<br>
either, do not wish to be shoehorned in with either and loathe most solutions<br>offered by either. I am WAY north of this false, treacherous dichotomy. <br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/2/7 Stefano Vaj <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefano.vaj@gmail.com">stefano.vaj@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Dagon Gmail <<a href="mailto:dagonweb@gmail.com">dagonweb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> This is significant example of stupidity in action. You pose a problem here<br>
> that deceitfully suggests a clear and simple answer.<br>
<br>
</div>Frankly, the idea that overpopulated, overexploited, polluted, and<br>
industrialised countries may welcome an unlimited flow of foreigners<br>
moving there on an individual basis out of the propaganda of western<br>
way of life and a view of human resources as mere commodities to be<br>
traded and imported in a global market depending on short-terms needs,<br>
sounds intolerably naive and simplist itself.<br>
<br>
There is nothing humane or affordable in mass immigration in Europe,<br>
both for the countries of origin and for the countries of destination,<br>
but a massive destruction of resources, sovereignties and diversity.<br>
<br>
Japan or Israel are in this respect good, very different examples that<br>
there is no inevitable "historical force" that would require a country<br>
to surrender the control of its borders to phenomena that have really<br>
little to do with some kind of "natural law", in particular having<br>
little equivalents in recent times where conditions in the originating<br>
countries were even worse, or from other countries that are even<br>
poorer.<br>
<br>
--<br>
<font color="#888888">Stefano Vaj<br>
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