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<div class="Ih2E3d">> I'm against enforced birth controls.<br>
> Scrap the welfare state, so people like her will think twice before doing<br>
> this stupid things.<br>
> I don't understand! Why must I give up my freedoms because a stupid woman do<br>
> stupid things? Why I am supposed to pay a part of her children schools,<br>
> foods, healthcare with my taxes?<br>
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> California is going under with gargantuan deficit and debts. And they want<br>
> people pay for the follies of others? I understand because so many people<br>
> on the net say that California is beautiful but it is no more for sane<br>
> working people.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>The diversity of genes we have implies that a percentage of people will be unable<br>to compete in the global marketplace. This is a constant figure - 5% of the potential<br>
job market are not classified as formally disabled (or after a while do gain that label<br>in most modern democracies, if only by default) and simply cannot be fit in to the<br>current employability system. <br><br>If wellfares are low, these people end up in prison. This is so consistent a pattern that<br>
we can conclude the genetic component transcend free will (no amount of threat<br>will dissuade this percentage, not even executions) and the state will have to find a<br>solution to deal with this.<br><br>In current market conform context, a prison inmate costs between 150 (near-third world<br>
conditions, alabama) to 400 (fully developed, denmark, scandinavia) per day. A wellfare<br>mom costs under 100 a day, probably closer to 50. Plus, a wellfare recipient is kept<br>dependent on the system, is fed and housed and tends to not spread disease. The<br>
damage someone inflicts on society if cut of from necessities (addicts come to mind)<br>range from 100K tot half a million a year in the netherlands. Junkies steal several<br>objects a day, which amounts of debilitating economic damage. A group of junkies<br>
predating in an area can close stores in under a year, wrecking regional business. The<br>same junky in prison requires medical care far in excess of the mentioned 400. <br><br>A person cut of from an equitable income, or society itself by virtue of being stigmatized<br>
in this manner, tends to become pathological, consumes increasing care, often already<br>has problems. So giving these people wellfare can make sense, from a cost-cutting<br>perspective.<br><br>I agree this is highly unsatisfactory for the critical tax payer. It is a no-win situation, and<br>
I consider it up the critical tax payer to come up with alternative means of reducing cost.<br>I assume considerations like "humane" or "just" or "with longterm implications in mind"<br>have no value to you in this discussion,so let me kick off with some suggestions<br>
<br>* when a pesonis clearly unable to contribute more economic value than he or she consumes,<br>that person is marked for euthanasia<br><br>* when a person clear consumes more than he or she produces in eonomic value, that<br>
person is marked for euthanasia<br><br>* when a person consistently uses criminal means to aquire goods, euthanasia<br><br>* As above, low cost internment in a caged environment, slave labour, tent camps etc. I<br>think you cannot reduce cost much below 50 unless you can marketize these people as<br>
a resource. Organ harvesting? <br><br>* I suggest you look at a slow escalation if you implement harsher methods, i.e. what<br>other cost cutting measures can you apply? Smokers cost ten to fifty times as much as<br>they cough up in taxes - hence maybe start making some tough decissions regarding<br>
smokers (drinkers? Child abusing parents?)<br><br>* Parents routinely give inherited ailments to parents. I think parents who can afford<br>genetic screening should be held accountable for the societal impact. At the very least<br>
they should be made to pay. <br><br>* Sociopathy costs society dearly in human misery. A full 5% of people can be diagnosed<br>as being psychopaths, and they can and do have high-paying jobs. Nevertheless their actions<br>
have perpetuated a culture of exploitation, dumping, theft, corruption and signifiant human<br>tragedy. I am for testing people for sociopathic lack of empathy, and forcing these people<br>on lifelong psychiatric councelling and making sure they don't enter jobs where they can damage<br>
society or impact other people's lives. <br><br>Pleae let me know what you think on these treatments to address the scum that damages<br>and exploits society - and make sure you pay less taxes. Because that is a cause to fight<br>
for, at any cost, to make sure you pay less taxes. <br><br><br></div></div>