So - how sure are you that you don't fail the sociopath, lack of empathy test?<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/2/16 John Grigg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:possiblepaths2050@gmail.com">possiblepaths2050@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">Dagon wrote:<br>The diversity of genes we have implies that a percentage of people will be unable<br>
to compete in the global marketplace. This is a constant figure - 5% of the potential<br>
job market are not classified as formally disabled (or after a while do gain that label<br>in most modern democracies, if only by default) and simply cannot be fit in to the<br>current employability system. <br><br>If wellfares are low, these people end up in prison. This is so consistent a pattern that<br>
we can conclude the genetic component transcend free will (no amount of threat<br>will dissuade this percentage, not even executions) and the state will have to find a<br>solution to deal with this.<br>>>><br><br>
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A fascinating concept, but I wonder to what extent it is truly genetic as compared to family environment (the classic argument)? I hope you don't upset the politically correct among us too much with this theory. lol I have my fingers crossed that Damien did not read this... hee<br>
<br>I tend to think this element of humanity in previous eras was much better adapted to living and even thriving. But our high-tech era of complex employment skill sets and highly monitored societies with abundant law enforcement is more than many of these people can bear. I see these individuals in my local community and think of them as "people born in the wrong time" who feel like refugees from the past. I admit many of them would have ended up in the stocks, a dungeon, a salt mine or the chopping block had they lived in another less civilized age and gotten caught for their misbehaviour. <br>
<br>you continue:<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>A person cut of from an equitable income, or society itself by virtue of being stigmatized<br>
in this manner, tends to become pathological, consumes increasing care, often already<br>has problems. So giving these people wellfare can make sense, from a cost-cutting<br>perspective.<br>>>><br><br></div>Very true.<br>
<br>you continued:<br>* when a person is clearly unable to contribute more economic value than he or she consumes,<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>that person is marked for euthanasia<br><br></div>* when a person clear consumes more than he or she produces in economic value, that<div class="Ih2E3d">
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person is marked for euthanasia<br><br></div>* when a person consistently uses criminal means to acquire goods, euthanasia<div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>* As above, low cost internment in a caged environment, slave labour, tent camps etc. I<br>
think you cannot reduce cost much below 50 unless you can marketize these people as<br>
a resource. Organ harvesting? <br><br>* I suggest you look at a slow escalation if you implement harsher methods, i.e. what<br>other cost cutting measures can you apply? Smokers cost ten to fifty times as much as<br></div>
they cough up in taxes - hence maybe start making some tough decisions regarding<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
smokers (drinkers? Child abusing parents?)<br><br>* Parents routinely give inherited ailments to parents. I think parents who can afford<br>genetic screening should be held accountable for the societal impact. At the very least<br>
they should be made to pay. <br>>>><br><br></div>I suspect the "enlightened" Stalins and Hitlers of the 21st century will find all such suggestions to be very practical and necessary.<br><br>you continue:<div class="Ih2E3d">
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* Sociopathy costs society dearly in human misery. A full 5% of people can be diagnosed<br>as being psychopaths, and they can and do have high-paying jobs. Nevertheless their actions<br></div>
have perpetuated a culture of exploitation, dumping, theft, corruption and significant human<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>tragedy. I am for testing people for sociopathic lack of empathy, and forcing these people<br></div>on lifelong psychiatric counseling and making sure they don't enter jobs where they can damage<div class="Ih2E3d">
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society or impact other people's lives. <br>>>><br><br></div>A genetic test for sociopathy and laws to enforce the identifying of them at birth (or before) would be in my eyes a very good thing. Special treatment programs (and hopefully applied genetic engineering) could minimize the damage they do to society. They are the evil mutants among us... <br>
<br>you continue:<br>Please let me know what you think on these treatments to address the scum that damages<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>and exploits society - and make sure you pay less taxes. Because that is a cause to fight<br>
for, at any cost, to make sure you pay less taxes. <br>>>><br><br></div>Ohh....., these people just need a big hug and some compassion. We must raise taxes to help give them a further helping hand!<br><br>Dagon, I thought this was one of the better posts I have read in awhile. : )<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>I said NO SIGNATURE !!!<br>