<div>Hi Dan,</div>
<div>Sorry to say this, but your response looks like just another baseless complaint against the overwhelming evidence that most supplements do not work, either in animal studies or in human studies. </div>
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<div>I say this as someone who took supplements for over 20 years. All I got was kidney stones.</div>
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<div>Please remember that the most powerful advocacy group for the use of supplements is comprised of those who sell them. Researchers who do not sell supplements or receive financial support from those that do -- in other words, people who stake their reputations on the quality of their research -- have conducted truly disinterested research and found little value to most supplements.</div>
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<div>This is what the science -- also known as "evidenced-based" investigation -- tells us. If you prefer "faith-based" belief systems, or simply accepting what industry shills tell you, then fine, believe whatever you like. But don't raise a bunch of niggling quibbles as if you had some greater knowledge on the topic than the scientists who researched it. If you want to read their report to verify their protocols and so forth, then by all means do so and report back to us. But this is not what you have done. You've snidely impugned their work in the very manner of the "faith-based" industry shills who earn their living selling the modern equivalent of snake oil.</div>
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<div>Did I put too fine a point on this?</div>
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<div>If so, then let me be really blunt: Put up or shut up.</div>
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<div>And have a wonderful day ;)</div>
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<div>Mike<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Dan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dan_ust@yahoo.com">dan_ust@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im"><br>--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Michael LaTorra <<a href="mailto:mlatorra@gmail.com">mlatorra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Vitamins Found to<br>> Curb Exercise Benefits<br>> By NICHOLAS WADE<br>> Published: May 11, 2009<br>
> <br>> If you exercise to improve your metabolism and prevent<br>> diabetes, you may want to avoid antioxidants like vitamins C<br>> and E.<br>> ....<br>> “If you exercise to promote health, you shouldn’t<br>
> take large amounts of antioxidants,” Dr. Ristow said. A<br>> second message of the study, he said, “is that<br>> antioxidants in general cause certain effects that inhibit<br>> otherwise positive effects of exercise, dieting and other<br>
> interventions.” The findings appear in this week’s issue<br>> of The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.<br>> ...<br>> Read entire article at:<br>> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/health/research/12exer.html?em" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/health/research/12exer.html?em</a><br>
<br></div>I would like to read the specifics of research.<br><br>From the article, they mentioned "moderate doses." Since I'm not sure what exactly they mean, I think it's premature to just to the conclusion of "[o]nce again: Some vitamins don't help in large doses." Without knowing more details -- were the young men in good health? what were their ages? how often did they exercise? how long did the study last? what were the doses and how often? what types of C and E were used? -- this looks like more little more than another typical hit-and-run attack on supplements. I mean most people will trust the NY Times, but this story lacks the context where an informed person might judge whether the claims made are valid and whether to stop using these two micronutrients.<br>
<br>Regards,<br><br>Dan<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br>
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