<div>Post Futurist, at least porn is not divisive among cultural/religious lines. That in itself is an immediate improvement over $$$mas. </div>
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<div>Of course, there are societies which are negative and repressive about sex in general, and that's not a good thing. It would be better for them if they had no censorship regarding porn and sexually explicit materials. What's obscene to me are women who are required to wear tents and veils.</div>
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<div>In many cases, porn has practical purposes - but even if it didn't, I would much prefer to live in a society that did not have censorship regarding sexually explicit materials.<br><br></div>
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<div>Christmas <em>is</em> quite silly, but most of its effluvia has more taste than, say, porn; which is no longer shocking for its sexuality, but for its general unimaginative tastelessness. As rote, stylized as Christmas. One silliness is traded for another.</div>
<div>Secular culture isn't much of an improvement over the religious. People want to be young at heart, however they end up being silly in the head instead.</div>
<div><br><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 12/9/09, Olga Bourlin <i><<a href="mailto:olga.bourlin@gmail.com" target="_blank">olga.bourlin@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
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To: "ExI chat list" <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 6:28 PM<br><br>
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<div class="h5">But - and this is no satire - Dawkins is a wuss. ;)) </div></div>
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<div class="h5">He aligns himself with “cultural Christians,” and even goes along with singing those treacly, annoying $$$mas carols.<span> </span>Gads, there’s just no accounting for some people’s taste. <br></div></div>
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<div class="h5"><a href="http://richarddawkins.net/articles/2034" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://richarddawkins.net/articles/2034</a> </div></div>
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<div class="h5"><br><em>Pa Ra Pa</em> Pum Pum!<br><br></div></div>
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<div class="h5">On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:23 PM, BillK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pharos@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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<div class="h5">On 12/8/09, Lee Corbin wrote:<br><snip><br>> But the strategy of alienating religious people yet further<br>> isn't going to help, except in ways I would not condone.<br>> They shouldn't be given any reason whatsoever to think<br>
> that life under the atheists has been as bad as (at many<br>> times) life for us under the religious often was.<br>><br>> Alas, this is surely all wishful thinking on my part.<br>> As soon as we are in the heavy majority, kids will<br>
> hear in school from their PC teachers that, so far<br>> as religion goes, "there are the brights who don't<br>> believe, and then, there are the others, less bright,<br>> who do, and sadly some of you in this very class come<br>
> from disadvantaged homes..."<br>><br>><br>> > obviously I am not for declaring an intellectual war or anything. But I do<br>> think that atheists need to not be wishy-washy and somehow give the<br>
> religious the idea we think their ideas about the nature of reality have<br>> merit.<br>> ><br>><br>> Again, I agree.<br>><br><br></div></div>
<div class="im">This new article seems relevant.........<br><br><<a href="http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2009/12/09/dawkins-offers-delusion-removal-service-for-bereaved-and-dying/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2009/12/09/dawkins-offers-delusion-removal-service-for-bereaved-and-dying/</a>><br>
<br>Dawkins offers delusion removal service for bereaved and dying<br><br>‘Face Reality Now’, a new ‘delusion removal’ service set up by Richard<br>Dawkins, offers the soon to be bereaved an opportunity to confront<br>their dying friends and relations with their mortality.<br>
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<div class="im">‘It’s a scandal that people continue to die unaware that really is<br>it,’ explained Dr Dawkins. ‘Now, for a small fee, my service will send<br>trained atheists to reassure the dying that they can forget about any<br>
after life nonsense.’<br><br>The service also offers a comprehensive after death option in which<br>the funeral cortege is followed by men with loudhailers shouting,<br>‘Stop comforting yourself with mumbo-jumbo. For God’s sake, he’s dead<br>
– deal with it!’<br><br>But the Dawkins service has run into difficulties where some friends<br>of the dying are believers, but others aren’t. ‘At a recent deathbed<br>scene,’ admitted Dr Dawkins, ‘my atheists turned up at the same time<br>
as a Catholic priest. Things got a bit out of hand with a fight<br>breaking out around the dying man. Still, I’m pleased to say ‘Face<br>Reality Now’ won.’<br>-------------<br><font color="#888888"><br><br>BillK<br>(By the way, this is a satirical article) :)<br>
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