<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:8pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 8pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> flemming <saefir@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, December 12, 2009 5:09:49 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [ExI] more atheism<br></font><br>
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<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: rgb(123, 0, 153); font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">I believe stefano makes the logical or illogical error of assuming what agnostics assume. I consider my self an agnostic, but based on the fact that nobody can present to me any evidence that there is or is not a god. </span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: rgb(123, 0, 153); font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">It is really not a question of quantitative statistics, but the bare fact that I feel unable to choose among to realities for which there is no evidence to back them up. It is ofcourse vital to acknowledge that evidence is only evidence if it convinces me, and not anybody else. I have no doubt that there is a lot of people who feel convinced that the evidence for their course is present and obvious, for example people who on a regular basis have conversations with Jesus or God. So Stefano, the agnostics only claims the right to doubt, and do not base their doubt on statistics. Some agnostics, such as the vitalongists, believes that our ability to
reason is limited buy our brains capacity, the same way a worm is limited in its capability to understand differential equations. If you consider that view, it means that there is nothing but agnosticism, as this is a way to have a door open for the possibility of being wrong, while living on the knowledge we have acquired so far. We must admit that the human history has been a road of errors and mistakes, and as we now peak into the strange world of quantum mechanics, with its odd dislocality, it seems that anything can be wrong, even the strongholds of the old Greeks. When it comes down to everything I guess it is all about whether you think your brain interpretate the world of if you think it is the world.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: rgb(123, 0, 153); font-size: 10pt;">Best Regards</span></p>
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<div> I'll et you are a atheist regarding Zeus and Thor and the Flying<br>>> Spaghetti Monster, as Dawkins says he just goes one god further.<br>>> Agnostics make the logical error of assuming that if there is no<br>>> evidence that something exists and no evidence that it does not then<br>>> there is a 50% chance its real.<br>><br>> Even if the chance to be real is only 0.00000000000000000000000001%<br>> It don't make it unreal, only improbable.<br><br>Saying that "I don't believe there is a God" does not mean the same thing as "I believe there is not a God." <br>There is no logical error in agnosticism. Even a .00000000000000000000000001% probability is greater than zero and becomes agnostic rather than atheist. <br> The definition of God makes this even more difficult. <font><font style="font-family: Verdana,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(123, 0, 153);" color="#7b0099" size="2"
face="Verdana,Arial,sans-serif">Now
if I say that God is a possibility in the future, and we assume that
time itself can be warped, manipulated or is an illusion, then I can't
say for certain that God does not exist.</font></font><br><br><br><br><br>-- <br>Stefano Vaj<br><br></div></div></font></td></tr><tr><td height="10"> <br></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td width="10"> <br></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><br>
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