<div class="gmail_quote">2010/1/18 Stathis Papaioannou <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stathisp@gmail.com">stathisp@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
A regular zombie doesn't know whether he is a zombie or not, since he<br>
has no mind and no knowledge of anything</blockquote><div><br>In that case he is not a "regular" zombie, because it differs from a human being at least in one kind or another of tangible, phenomenical (internal?) showing of cosciousness that can imagined.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">but a human does know he is<br>
not a zombie. </blockquote><div><br>I contend that a human does not not know anything like that, because real zombies would be <br>indistinguishable from "real" human beings including for the zombies themselves.<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">The idea that at least the conscious know they are conscious<br>
is shown to be false, since they may actually have zombie<br>
consciousness. </blockquote><div><br>This is indeed my point.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Thus we have zombies who behave as if they are<br>
conscious *and* honestly believe that they are conscious: conscious<br>
zombies, but with an inferior zombie consciousness.<br></blockquote><div><br>Only that there is no way to distinguish such "false consciousness" from the real thing. <br></div></div><br>-- <br>Stefano Vaj<br>