<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Feb 2, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Gordon Swobe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div> The human mind thus "has semantics" and any coherent model of it must explain that plain fact.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>But before that can happen you must explain what you mean by explain.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div> <br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div>The computationalist model fails to explain that plain fact. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It explains it beautifully according to my understanding of the word. You want a theory that is simultaneously completely understandable and utterly mysterious, so naturally you have been disappointed.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On that model minds do no more than run programs and programs do no more than manipulate symbols according to rules of syntax. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to think you may have said something along those lines before, and I think I even remember people bringing up very good counter arguments against that argument that you have steadfastly ignored.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Nothing in the model explains how the mind can have conscious understand the symbols it manipulates. </div></blockquote><div><br></div>True, they are not comprehensible and incomprehensible at the same time.</div><div><br></div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I look inside your head I see nothing even remotely resembling a digital computer.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>Then why are people spending hundreds of millions of dollars building digital computers that simulate larger and larger chunks of neurons?<br><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Instead I see a marvelous product of biological evolution.<br></div></blockquote><br></div><div>How can you dare use the word "Evolution"!? YOUR VIEWS ARE 100% INCOMPATIBLE WITH EVOLUTION!</div><div><br></div><div> John K Clark </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>