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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=703451816-18022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>This is not what the irrational observation was referring
to. Urg. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=703451816-18022010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Anyway, on a *different point*, that "global warming
debate only exists because of PR, media and political spin" could be very
true. Although, I'm not entirely sure the world and society feeds off of
PR. Some folks are sequestered in their studies reading peer-review papers
and still others are withdraw to their labs working on experiments about
effects of temperature rises on life forms. I do very much agree
with you on the influence of political positioning, and its PR, on the GW
debate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=703451816-18022010></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>B<SPAN
class=703451816-18022010>est,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=703451816-18022010></SPAN><SPAN
class=703451816-18022010></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2>N<SPAN
class=703451816-18022010>atasha</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Alfio
Puglisi<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 17, 2010 4:08 PM<BR><B>To:</B> ExI
chat list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate
science isn'tsettled<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote><BR>On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:49 PM, <SPAN
dir=ltr><natasha@natasha.cc></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Your observation is irrational.<BR><FONT
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<DIV><BR>It's not. The global warming debate only exists because of PR, media
and political spin. The scientific debate was over many years ago. I highly
suggest Spencer Weart's history of global warming science: <A
href="http://www.aip.org/history/climate/">http://www.aip.org/history/climate/</A><BR><BR>Alfio<BR><BR><BR><BR> </DIV>
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class=gmail_quote><FONT color=#888888>Natasha</FONT>
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR>Quoting Alfio Puglisi <<A
href="mailto:alfio.puglisi@gmail.com"
target=_blank>alfio.puglisi@gmail.com</A>>:<BR><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Natasha Vita-More
<natasha@natasha.cc>wrote:<BR><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Christopher Luebcke writes:<BR><BR>"... I just find it
sadly ironic, and a dark reflection on the petty,<BR>fiercely partisan,
politicized nature of what should in fact be a sober,<BR>scientific
discussion, that a man accused (in the court of political<BR>opinion) of
fraud should suddenly be taken at his word by those same<BR>accusers, when
that word apparently agrees with their position."<BR><BR>Many of us find
it frustrating. Nevertheless the biggest problem and<BR>disappointment is
that, while everyone seems to annoyed and saddened, there<BR>is a lack of
intelligent communication between all parties in viewing the<BR>situation
from diverse perspectives.<BR><BR>Max is working to develop a level ground
for discussion. Bravo to him.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I don't agree.
Posting all those links to garbage blogs like WUWT, and<BR>quoting them like
they had any value instead of laughing at them (or<BR>desperating, depends
on the mood), does a disservice to the Extropy list. It<BR>shows how a group
of intelligent people can be easily manipulated by PR<BR>spin. I find it
depressing.<BR><BR>Alfio<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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