<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: times, serif; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">> I offered to send you a list of the peer-reviewed articles written</div>> by Michael Mann, Keith Briffa, Phil Jones, and others, that contain<br>> fraudulent data or conclusions, so as to enable you to see for<br>> yourself the specific instances of fraud, in primary sources.<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; ">To
which I responded that I'm not a climatologist, or even a scientist. I am also excruciatingly well aware that these sources are being interpreted across an entire spectrum, from completely reliable to not only incorrect but fraudulent, to not only fraudulent but fraudulent in the furtherance of some conspiracy. I value my opinion on the matter no more or less than yours, and due to the highly charged atmosphere in which non-scientists are making pronouncements, I can only leave it to the scientific method to arrive at the actual truth.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; ">> Instead you chose to comment on my</div>> "attitude", and in an
earlier post you insinuated that I am about to<br>> "bring our civilization to its knees". <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; ">I do in fact believe that fear-mongering conspiracy theorists, in this technological day and age, pose an existential threat to modern Western civilization. I stand for reason, evidence and temperance. That is why I take accusations of fraud in science very seriously. It is also why I must dismiss as--let me not say fraudulent, but <i>wildly hyperbolic--</i>someone who makes such accusations but does not feel compelled to act on them, other than to add his voice to the senseless din of the digitally enraged.</div><div
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size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b> Rafal Smigrodzki <<span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1267509366_0" style="border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-color: rgb(0, 102, 204); cursor: pointer; ">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</span>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b> Christopher Luebcke <cluebcke@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</span></b> ExI chat list <<span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1267509366_1" style="border-bottom-style: dashed; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-bottom-color: rgb(0, 102, 204); cursor: pointer; ">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</span>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b> Mon, March 1, 2010 7:26:53 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science isn'tsettled<br></font><br>On Mon, Mar 1,
2010 at 2:12 PM, Christopher Luebcke <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cluebcke@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:cluebcke@yahoo.com">cluebcke@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> You wish only to accuse, not to prove. Your attitude speaks for itself and<br>> reflects directly on the worth of your opinions.<br>> I have nothing else to add.<br><br>### I offered to send you a list of the peer-reviewed articles written<br>by Michael Mann, Keith Briffa, Phil Jones, and others, that contain<br>fraudulent data or conclusions, so as to enable you to see for<br>yourself the specific instances of fraud, in primary sources. You did<br>not take me up on that offer. Instead you chose to comment on my<br>"attitude", and in an earlier post you insinuated that I am about to<br>"bring our civilization to its knees". I couldn't help myself but<br>chuckle over that one.<br><br>I see that indeed you have nothing else to
add.<br><br>Rafal</div></div></span></div><div style="font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Christopher Luebcke <cluebcke@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, March 1, 2010 7:26:53 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ExI] Phil Jones acknowledging that climate science isn'tsettled<br></font><br>
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Christopher Luebcke <<a ymailto="mailto:cluebcke@yahoo.com" href="mailto:cluebcke@yahoo.com">cluebcke@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> You wish only to accuse, not to prove. Your attitude speaks for itself and<br>> reflects directly on the worth of your opinions.<br>> I have nothing else to add.<br><br>### I offered to send you a list of the peer-reviewed articles written<br>by Michael Mann, Keith Briffa, Phil Jones, and others, that contain<br>fraudulent data or conclusions, so as to enable you to see for<br>yourself the specific instances of fraud, in primary sources. You did<br>not take me up on that offer. Instead you chose to comment on my<br>"attitude", and in an earlier post you insinuated that I am about to<br>"bring our civilization to its knees". I couldn't help myself but<br>chuckle over that one.<br><br>I see that indeed you have nothing else to add.<br><br>Rafal<br></div></div><div
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