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Damien Sullivan wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 01:14:05PM -0400, Michael D wrote:
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<pre wrap=""> Yes that is true, but the problem is that in many, if not most,
implementations of socialized medicine, private health care is just
simply illegal.
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This is simply false.
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I know people that escape from Canada to here for some types of care
that they cannot legally find in Canada. <br>
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It may be true in Communist countries -- but then, those are countries
where *everything* private is illegal, or at risk. There's also rather
few such countries still around.
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No. It is not just communist countries. Socialism is a sliding scale
that has consequences over time. Socialize some function like health
care and certain results can be expected in the long run with a set of
possible variations. <br>
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In actual countries with "socialized" medicine, as opposed to socialized
everything, it is simply not true. Canada was closest, with a ban on
doctors charging privately for procedures covered by Canadian Medicare,
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See above. Also restrictions on what they can and cannot do. Overall
some types of medicine that are not officially sanctioned simply become
uncompetitive and disappear in the country. Also some physicians and
researchers simply vote with their feed and leave for places they are
more free to practice as they wish and more likely to make a viable
living doing so. <br>
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<pre wrap=""> (Though the doctors typically operate
privately, charging the system, rather than acting as public employees.)
Even there, if it *wasn't* covered it could still be privately paid for.
Elsewhere, totally private medicine certainly exists.
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<pre wrap=""> care is strictly outlawed. Socilaized health care is more often than
not egalitarian, not utilitarian.
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<pre wrap="">Again, false.
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It has been stated as being justified on egalitarian grounds repeatedly.<br>
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- samantha<br>
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