<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Jul 31, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><blockquote type="cite">Let me ask you one question, do you condemn the whole Nazi group?<br></blockquote>No, because condemning groups was - I believe - exactly what Nazi did.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Did the entire Nazi group do exactly that? </div><div>Mr. Rola, if your philosophy is so nambe-pambe that you're too squeamish to even condemn the Nazis then something is seriously wrong! </div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><blockquote type="cite"> writer Naguib<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mahfouz who's novel is banned in most of the Islamic world for </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">blasphemy.<br></blockquote><br>Well, Nobel Prize wouldn't be worth much if it wasn't controversial. </span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not talking about being controversial, I'm talking about using force to prevent someone from reading a novel from a Nobel Prize winner. Are you really sure you want to defend this? </div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "> the very fact that Islam is dysfunctional shouldn't<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>stop me from analysing it. </span></blockquote><div><br></div>But it should stop you from defending it.<br><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">I never heard of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Islamic Revolution as something coming from abroad</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I haven't either, as far as I can tell it was a popular movement, and that fact doesn't paint a flattering picture of the average inhabitant of Iran. </div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><blockquote type="cite">This last part is aimed at the apologists for all religions not just<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Islam, when they preach about the wonderful things these organizations<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">have done they always ignore one little fact, it's all based on a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">colossal lie. Doesn't the truth count for something?<br></blockquote><br>If you mean lie about God's existence, this had not been proved yet. Truth<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>would count much more if you could prove it. Before that, "lie" is true in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>50%... or more.</span></blockquote><div><br></div>Mr. Rola, regarding Christian or Islamic philosophy, did you really find it necessary to put the word lie into weasel quotation marks, and is this really a direction you want this debate to move in? </div><div><br></div><div> John K Clark<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>