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On 9/6/10 12:37 PM, Gregory Jones wrote:
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--- On <b>Mon, 9/6/10, samantha <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sjatkins@mac.com"><sjatkins@mac.com></a></i></b>
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<div>On 9/1/10 1:58 AM, Singularity Utopia wrote: </div>
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<div>>I believe Post-Scarcity is the most important
aspect of the Singularity (Extropy).<br>
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>>...Unfortunately it is made up pie in the sky.
Even with MNT there is no miraculous, inescapable and
they lived happily ever after ending coming. There is a
very slim chance that it works out really really well
for everybody and a much better chance it works out well
for a relatively smaller number. But at no time will it
be true there is an infinite amount of everything
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<div>There is an even stronger argument for Samantha's
point. In those few cases where production temporarily
far outruns demand, our answer to it is to create
artificial scarcity. Examples: housing, using the
Byzantine building codes and land use restrictions, farm
produce, using our system of non-production subsidies,
printer ink, using our protocol patenting system,
actually plenty of examples of artificial scarcity
because of our intellectual property protection system.
Perhaps the best example would be in software, where the
marginal production of an item goes to near or exactly
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Do you actually know what it takes to produce good software? The
marginal cost of copying bits has nothing to do with the actual real
scarcity of excellent software talent. I am not talking artificial
scarcity but real scarcity. <br>
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<div>This line of reasoning leads to the startling and
depressing realization that even if we manage to create
an MBrain and upload collective conscious, with plenty
of energy to do all the simulated thought we simulated
want, we would *still* have both scarcity and war! Of
course, they would be simulated, but even that would not
be utopia, for it would not be free of simulated want
and simulated suffering.</div>
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Not just artificial scarcity or limits. If you have the ability to
make whatever kind of upload world you wish or feel compatible with
and you make an ugly world - oh well. Guess you have some growing
left to do. We all do. It is a very interesting subject how we
must change to actually be compatible with and maximally take
advantage of such possibilities. <br>
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- s<br>
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