<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Sep 17, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Alan Grimes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>om<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>om?<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div>Just as uploaders have declared the POV-self to be irrelevant</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have no idea what you mean, my uploader credentials go back over 15 years and I certainly don't think the POV of a person, or of a upload, or of a person who is an upload, is irrelevant. </div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Many people try to pretend that by uploading the uploads will be able to escape from selective pressures.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don't see why an uploader, or anyone for that matter, would be so stupid as to pretend selective pressures can ever be ignored. <br><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>om<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>om?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Variation in genetics comes from two sources, mutation and recombination. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes and the reason Evolution is so slow and clumsy is that contrary to what some bible thumpers may say intelligent design plays no part in the process. </div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>In uploads, the only source of variation between mem-selves will be aging.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>Nonsense, with uploads intelligent design will be important and that would work much much faster and better than the evolutionary process as it has been known up to now. <br><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>each such change will almost certainly require a reboot of the simulator and thus a generation of a new POV-self.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why? If you are inactivated for a billion years and then restarted from your POV nothing has happened to you but the external universe has suddenly jumped forward a billion years.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>om<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>om?</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>It should be noted that an AGI mem [...]</div></blockquote><div><br></div>I really don't see what Adjusted Gross Income has to do with what we were talking about, or maybe you meant the American Geological Institute or Analytical Graphics Incorporated. <br><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>any selective pressure that favors raw IQ and scaling will automatically strongly<br>prefer the AI architecture. Any other mem-self that wants to compete on<br>that plane, will be best advised to somehow merge with an AI.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>Obviously. <br><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> It should be noted that this option is available to non-uploaded humans with only<br>a neural interface.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't see why something that isn't true should be noted.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Another factor that is widely ignored is the compatibility with the<br>given mem-self genome with what has been called it's "exoself". Exoself<br>software will be written by a specific personality type. This exoself<br>will benefit mem-selves with a compatible personality type. It is almost<br>certain that a given exoself software will be incompatible with other<br>personality types and specific individuals. These individuals, will be<br>effectively crippled as uploads </div></blockquote><div><br></div>I have no idea what that means.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>om<br></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Or that.</div><div><br></div><div> John K Clark</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br></body></html>