1) Why would BCI-extracted information be a part of GMail? Adding such things makes it<br>fundamentally different than an email client - different enough that it would likely have a<br>different name. Thus, saying "GMail" specifically makes this consideration moot. (Now, if<br>
you said "GMail, or services extended from GMail including BCI-extracted emotional<br>responses", that starts lending some plausibility. It may seem like a mere semantic<br>difference, but it isn't.)<br><br>
2) When they start extracting said information via BCI, they'll have already started making<br>an upload of you, whether or not you've given permission. They will likely insist on<br>resolving any permission issues at that time, and therefore, any previous permissions -<br>
even ones given by subsequently dead folk - will almost certainly be disregarded as legally<br>impossible to have given for want of context, regardless of the letter of what was said.<br>(Judging based on existing precedent. Even in the Singularity, some things can be<br>
predicted.)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Giulio Prisco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:giulio@gmail.com">giulio@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I agree that the information isn't there... today.<br>
<br>
But suppose I keep using Gmail and similar services for 30 years,<br>
adding geolocation, video and BCI-extracted emotional responses as new<br>
options become available. Suppose I start adding childhood visual and<br>
sensory memories via BCI...<br>
<br>
Suppose all my friends do the same.<br>
<br>
Don't you think my own Gmail account and, in a lesser measure, the<br>
Gmail accounts of my friends, would have a lot of information about<br>
me, orders of magnitude more than today?<br>
<br>
My post will be interpreted by many as a joke, but to me in is (at<br>
least half-) serious.<br>
<br>
2010/9/28 Adrian Tymes <<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com">atymes@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> "2) AI-based mindware technology able to reconstruct individual mindfiles by<br>
> analyzing<br>
> the information in their aggregate Gmail accounts and other available<br>
> information, with<br>
> sufficient accuracy for mind uploading via detailed personality<br>
> reconstruction, is available."<br>
><br>
> There is much reason to believe this is beyond the realm of plausibility.<br>
> Not as in, "we<br>
> don't have the AI for it today", but as in, "the information to do this<br>
> simply isn't there."<br>
><br>
> Does this record your day to day lives? Not really. (If you sincerely<br>
> disagree, chronicle<br>
> how you spend each hour of a given day, and then honestly look at your<br>
> outbox and see<br>
> how much of that is even mentioned. Deliberately rigging the system, like<br>
> doing a diary via<br>
> email for just that one day, doesn't count: this needs to be a<br>
> representative sample of most<br>
> of your days.)<br>
><br>
> Does this record your experiences in offline conversations, or most of your<br>
> pre-email life?<br>
> Again, no. Certain details might come up; most of it won't. Further, it'll<br>
> be a subset of<br>
> what you remember, because you have to have remembered it at some point to<br>
> have<br>
> mentioned it in email. (While you may forget something that email will<br>
> remember, even if<br>
> you spend the majority of your life with GMail, the amount that you know and<br>
> it has never<br>
> seen will remain substantial.)<br>
><br>
> This is the kind of thing a critic of the Extropians can latch onto, to<br>
> dismiss the entire<br>
> movement as "obviously woowoo pseudoscience bunk".<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Giulio Prisco <<a href="mailto:giulio@gmail.com">giulio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://giulioprisco.blogspot.com/2010/09/mind-uploading-via-gmail.html" target="_blank">http://giulioprisco.blogspot.com/2010/09/mind-uploading-via-gmail.html</a><br>
>><br>
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