<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Oct 28, 2010, at 8:15 PM, Alan Grimes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Uploading == destructive brain uploading with full brain emulation and *NOTHING* else.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly what is being destroyed in this destructive process? It's not the atoms, and its not the relationship the atoms have with each other because obtaining that information is the entire point of the scanning process, so it must be something else that gets destroyed. There is a word for that "something else", but you'd probably prefer not to use it and invent some gobbledegook that sounds scientific to express the same idea instead. Some primitive tribes refused to let you take their picture because they thought it would steal their soul, I don't think they were correct either. </div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Take the brain of an accident victim or something and upload it for the sake of<br>science. I'd be willing to treat such a being as a person but it's not the accident victim, it's a robot <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>You believe that unlike you the upload is just a robot because you have something the robot is lacking, something of enormous importance that nevertheless for some reason the scientific method is totally unable to detect. Well, all I can say is that I disagree, and as I said before I really don't think having your picture taken will diminish your consciousness. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div>The networked consciousness approach is a quantum leap over stupid, backwards, uploading.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>A quantum leap? A improvement that small wouldn't be worth doing; a quantum leap is the smallest change the scientific method is capable of detecting.</div><div><br></div><div> John K Clark<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>