<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Alan Grimes wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font> I don't group ideas with things that have tangible reality.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don't either, ideas are far more important than tangible reality crap. You don't have ideas you are ideas and its irrelevant what hardware happens to think you.<br><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> For example, a brain exists, it's tangible.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What an object does is less tangible than the object itself, but I don't care, mind is more important than brain; at least it is in this mind's opinion.</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> However a computer simulation of a brain has no tangible reality</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If so then computer or even calculator arithmetic has no tangible reality so you'd better not use one on your tax returns if you want to stay out of jail; but on second thought that really is not a problem because the brain simulating Alan Grimes has no tangible reality either and you can't put a nonexistent entity in prison. </div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>even a microscopic examination of the computer chips will not reveal it!</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>But a microscopic examination of the neurons in your brain will?!!</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> Furthermore, a computer running a simulation of a brain is indistinguishable from a computer running the ABC@home project. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And that versatility is precisely why brains and computers are such useful objects. </div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Ever consider the differences between a computer and a brain with<br>regards to a total reset situation? </div></blockquote><div><br></div>Indeed I have. If I were to suffer a horrible traumatic experience I'd likely be in a funk for many years and possibly for the rest of my life, but if my computer hangs around with bad programs or has a nervous breakdown for any reason I can reset it in just a few minutes; and even if it's totally destroyed everything is backed up on an external hard disk so nothing is lost. I just wish I had an external hard drive backup for me. <br><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I have a billion complaints about uploading not counting the identity issue.<br></div></blockquote><br></div><div>There is no identity issue there is only a identity superstition. </div><div><br></div><div> John K Clark</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br></body></html>