2010/11/14 Natasha Vita-More <span dir="ltr"><natasha@natasha.cc></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="im">
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</div><div><span><font size="2" face="Arial">Well let's look at
your last statement. Diverse views about a hard takeoff were around before
SIAI. You are correct that SIAI is one well-known organization within
transhumanism, but the Singularity is larger than SIAI and has many varied
views/theories which are addressed by transhumanists and
nontranshumanists. </font></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div><span><font size="2" face="Arial"> I pretty much
stick with Vinge and have my own views based on my own research and scenario
development. I think SIAI has done great work and has produced amazing
events. The only problem I have ever had with SIAI is that it does not
include women like me -- women who have been around for a long time and could
contribute something meaningful to the conversation, outside of Eli's dismissal
of women and/or media design as a substantial field o of inquiry and
consequential to our future of AGIs. But you and I have had this
conversation several time before and I see nothing has
changed.</font></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Women like Aruna Vassar, Amy Willey, and Anna Salamon, that I work with and communicate with all the time? The staff at SIAI HQ mostly consists of myself, Amy, and Vassar. I just hired a female graphic artist for contract work. </div>
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<div><span><font size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">By the way, since
you applauded a guy who dissed me a couple of years ago for my talk at
the Goertzel's AI conference, I thought you might like to know that Kevin
Kelly has a new book out _What Technology Wants_, which addresses technology
from a similar thematic vantage as I addressed the Singularity and AI in my
talk about what AGI wants and its intended
consequences.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I never saw your talk at that AI conference, but I'm sorry if I clapped for someone who dissed you. For reasons that have actually been explained by Dale Carrico, I object to the treating of "technology" as a monolithic, personified entity as Kelly does, but I'll probably look into his book eventually anyway.</div>
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<div><span><font size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">Nevertheless, you
are one of my favorite transhumanists and I admire your work.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div><span><font size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; ">By the way, this
list's discussion on the Singularity was too focused on Eli and in a
disparaging way. I support and encourage more discussion from varied
perspectives and I think that Stefano did a good job at this objectively
presenting his own views, whether I agree with him or not they are far
better than attacking Eli.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>*puts on cult hat.* </div></div><div><br></div>Tremendous amounts of electronic ink have been spilled discussing Eliezer, because he is such a fascinating person. <br>
<div><br>-- <br><a href="mailto:michael.anissimov@singinst.org" target="_blank">michael.anissimov@singinst.org</a><br><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse"><div>Singularity Institute<br>
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