<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Damien wrote:</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><br>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">>The technical name for what you prefer is "corporate fascism". That doesn't have a really compelling history.<</span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">I agree Damien. When the definition of fascism was entered for the first time in the Encyclopedia Italiano, Mussolini suggested that corporatism was a more accurate name for that type of arrangement than fascism anyway. Fascism is *by definition* the merging of business and government, most often accompanied by rabid nationalism and sometimes overt racism. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">But not always, which might make modern fascism difficult to recognize because we always assume holocaust-type ethnic cleansing comes with it. It doesn't. Italy followed Germany's Wannsee Conference directives (because it was under political pressure to do so) but not to the letter. For some of the war Mussolini allowed the north west of the country to become a kind of protectorate for Jews who had fled other parts of the state. The ax fell on them only after Italy fell, when the allies invaded the south and Germany took the north to meet them. I got this story from John Keegan's The Second World War, which is an excellent book by the way.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Spike wrote:</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial; ">>In any case it would be far preferable to government takeover of corporations.<</span></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial; "><br></span></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial; ">Is there a difference? When governments and corporations merge, does it matter who made the first move? Given the checkered history of IBM, Ford, Chase Manhattan, etc, not to mention the America First Committee and the role of prominent industrialists like Ford in trying to keep the U.S. out of World War II for business reasons, perhaps it should be illegal. Currently we try to prevent the merging of the two with market regulation and not through legislation, which doesn't seem to be working all that well. The repeal of Glass-Steagall and the housing market crash is a good example of that failure. </span></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial; "><br></span></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: arial; ">Don't mean to sound testy, or confrontational, Spike. I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about what seems to be a widespread misunderstanding of exactly what fascism is and how easily it could happen again. The U.S. congress has a fasces engraved on a wall somewhere inside, by the way. Don't know its history, or what genius decided it was a good idea, but it has always made me wonder. </span></span></font></div>
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</span></span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Damien Broderick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thespike@satx.rr.com">thespike@satx.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On 2/12/2011 9:46 AM, spike wrote:<br>
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Our constitution is set up to maintain separation of church and state.<br>
It doesn't say anything about separation of corporation and state. As far<br>
as I can tell the latter would be perfectly legal. In any case it would be<br>
far preferable to government takeover of corporations.<br>
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The technical name for what you prefer is "corporate fascism". That doesn't have a really compelling history.<br>
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