<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(80, 0, 80); ">>is an indication that reproduction isn't as strong a drive as we<br>thought.<</span><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Either it's not as strong or that human beings can extract themselves from evolutionary mandated behavior. Some individuals and groups of individuals seem to be able to do it with aggression and dominance and tribal mentalities, and others don't. The question I have is this: do these individuals and groups adapt out of these behaviors by selection pressures over generational periods based on location (like living in cities for example where xenophobia makes life more difficult and not less so.) Or can you consciously remove yourself from evolutionary imperatives by force of will, or education, or both?</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">I would think, by looking at the Internet and knowing the people that I do, that the drive to have sex may be as strong as ever. But the need in certain populations to have progeny result from it is reduced. Once again, technology, and the relaxation in certain cultures of tribal laws and strictures limiting sexual behavior, have influenced the biological result, but perhaps have not influenced the drive at all. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">d.</span></font></div>
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</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Eugen Leitl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org">eugen@leitl.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 09:13:44AM -0700, Keith Henson wrote:<br>
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> The fact that we don't see massive scale manipulation of matter and<br>
> energy indicates that this has not yet happened in our light cone.<br>
<br>
</div>We're not in their light cone. Origin being the time they started<br>
expanding visibly.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> That doesn't mean it could not happen here.<br>
><br>
> The human population growth falling below replacement in some places<br>
<br>
</div>I don't think this will last. Subpopulations still grow exponentially.<br>
This is being masked for time being for select location, but the<br>
question is for how long.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> is an indication that reproduction isn't as strong a drive as we<br>
> thought.<br>
><br>
> Still, to get the observed universe, we have to be wrong on something.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps there is a relatively simple way to escape from the universe.<br>
<br>
</div>Not every time. Not one which can recall those already on the way.<br>
<br>
In general, I wonder about the need for the obvious explanation: yes,<br>
we're rare, and we're the first about to start expanding (assuming we<br>
won't fall flat on our face, and can't get up).<br>
<div class="im"><br>
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