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On 05/13/2011 11:13 AM, Will Steinberg wrote:
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cite="mid:BANLkTim9X6XiradOCp02O00y3ExhOnr7eQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">The 'heavy hand of government' is how we bend current
society into one of freedom. </blockquote>
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False. Go read the papers of the American founders. <br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:BANLkTim9X6XiradOCp02O00y3ExhOnr7eQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"> Think of it this way: at any point in time, you may
'free' society. Obviously this will have different effects
depending on the current world situation. If society were freed
now, certain interested groups would become far too powerful.<br>
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False. They counter balance one another. Without initiation of
force no group can simply do what it wants without becoming
uncompetitive relative to other groups that wish to act in that
realm.<br>
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At the heart of it, no matter how much one theoretically
masturbates to the idea of pure freedom, the truth is that<i> the
groups who would dominate today's society, if it was freed, are
the same groups run by people who have absolutely no problem
with (even an inclination to) human exploitation for profit.</i><br>
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What is masturbation is perverse fantasies that people can only be
free, happy and productive by being forced to by an institution
defined by monopoly on the initiation of force. It is a deep
sickness in the human psyche.<br>
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<div>Do you understand? There is no theory. Many of the richest
people today became that way by commodifying the lives of humans
who relied on the money to live, because the corporations
themselves do not allow people to LIVE FREELY! Their
monopolization is a boundary to true liberty.</div>
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I understand. Apparently you do not.<br>
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<div>I know many of you can intuit that something about liberty is
special, but that doesn't mean we can just go there now. These
things take steps.</div>
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I didn't say anything about how to get there from here. That is
more complicated. Without agreement on where we want to go the more
complicated discussion about how to get there is rather pointless.<br>
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- samantha<br>
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