<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:23 AM, Brent Allsop wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="plainMail">"if you invert our knowledge of the strawberries and leaves, made of redness and greenness, such that the leaves are now represented with redness, and the strawberries now with greenness, sure, we'll be picking the strawberies just as intelligently, but our consciousness experience of it will be phenomenally very different"<br></div></blockquote><div class="plainMail">Hmm, if the experience is not just different but is VERY different it's odd that we would react to such very different things in exactly the same way. When I was young and giant reptiles ruled the Earth I took a psychology course and read about a experiment where the subjects wore goggles that turned everything upside down,
they wore them for a long time. At first they were disorientated but over time their brain adjusted and they went about their business normally, they forgot things were upside down. When they eventually took the goggles off and things were right side up again they were again temporally disorientated. <br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="plainMail"> "and that ineffable difference is what consciousness is all about."<br></div></blockquote><div class="plainMail">It's also odd that in spite of being "ineffable" some people do insist on talking about it a lot, and in spite of being completely effable they don't like to talk about the far more complicated and useful property of intelligence.<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div class="plainMail"> "If you shine a light on whatever it is,
in our brain, that has this reddnes (if it is greay matter, it will reflect grey light) and if you interpret it as 'grey' you will surely be misinterpreting the representation incorrectly "<br></div></blockquote><div class="plainMail">And on most computer monitors the following word "RED" will not produce red light, try it on your own monitor and you will probably see I am right. I claim that my thought experiment is just as profound as yours. Not very.<br></div><div class="plainMail"><br></div><div class="plainMail"> John K Clark<br></div><div class="plainMail"><br></div></td></tr></table>