<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">For the record, I don't believe that's what Socrates believed -- if Plato's works are any guide. It seems to me he believed there were moral truths that were discoverable by reason and that were not inventions of the gods (or God), social convention, or the state. (One need not agree with his particular moral claims here or even with his particular methods to agree with this wider point.<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>)</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Regards,</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Dan</SPAN></div>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Damien Broderick <thespike@satx.rr.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, July 22, 2011 5:15 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [ExI] Libertarianism wins again...<BR></FONT><BR>On 7/22/2011 3:12 PM, Kelly Anderson wrote:<BR><BR>> Socrates made good arguments that<BR>> what is right and wrong doesn't come from God or the state, but from<BR>> an inner state of outrage at the criminal act.<BR><BR>Ah, sturdy
foundations of outrage such as "Those stinking disgusting ho-mo-sex-uals make me *puke*! Get the pitch and pitchfork, Mabel!"<BR><BR>Damien Broderick</DIV></DIV></div></body></html>