<div>Eugen Leitl wrote:</div>
<div>You've fallen prey to the Singularity cult. Our 'friends from the future'<br>are out worst enemies, because the make us sit there in langurous apathy.</div>
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<div>Don't ask what the future can do for you, ask what you can do for the<br>future. Or else there won't be any future for you.</div>
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<div>Eugen, I am so glad you're here to talk sense to the dreamers like Kevin and myself. I personally think there will be a Singularity, but that it will probably happen at least several decades later than Ray Kurzweil predicts.</div>
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<div>John : )<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Eugen Leitl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org">eugen@leitl.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 08:24:08PM -0400, Kevin G Haskell wrote:<br>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:31:50 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:<br>><br>> >On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 04:50:50PM -0400, Kevin Haskell wrote:<br>
><br>> (Why would we need moon bases if we hope to evolve, soon? Who would pay<br>> for)<br>><br>> >Evolving is hard work, and takes a lot of resources. Might be not<br>> so soon as many think.<br>><br>
> Evolving is hard work, but it is happening faster and faster already, and<br><br></div>People are exactly the same as 50 kiloyears ago.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> the heavy resources should be invested in something that is realistic at<br><br></div>The US troop tent air conditioning budget is bigger than NASA.<br>The wars are at 4 terabucks already and counting.<br>
<br>There is heavy resource spending allright, and it's all poppycock.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> this point. The greatest resource is the human mind, soon to be the<br>> Transhuman mind, and if the Transhumans find a need to go the moon, then<br>> they will do so much more quickly and efficiently.<br>
<br></div>You've fallen prey to the Singularity cult. Our 'friends from the future'<br>are out worst enemies, because the make us sit there in langurous apathy.<br><br>Don't ask what the future can do for you, ask what you can do for the<br>
future. Orelse there won't be any future for you.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> > (such an expensive venture? I think we should be focusing on spending<br>> >our)<br>><br>> >How else are you supposed to get the energy and resources, given<br></div>> ><a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-07-18/galactic-scale-energy" target="_blank">http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-07-18/galactic-scale-energy</a><<a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-07-18/galactic-scale-energy" target="_blank">http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-07-18/galactic-scale-energy</a>><br>
<div class="im">> >?<br>><br>> There are so many things with the article in this link that I can't even<br>> begin dissecting it. While not just extrapolate the numbers that humans<br><br></div>You're not supposed to dissect it but to look at the numbers and realize<br>
we're running out of time.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> will use in the next million years? How about throwing out any assumption<br><br></div>Don't worry your pretty little head about the next megayear, rather think<br>about the next century.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> of technological advances, or that population is expected to become stable<br><br></div>You haven't read the article. Technology can't create something from nothing.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> in less then 50 years to between 9 and 10 billion people? These numbers<br>> provided in the article are absurd.<br><br></div>The numbers aren't absurd (up to where they start exceeding the speed of light).<br>
It's just a Kardashev roadmap.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> > (resources on bettering humanity through Transhumanism and working toward<br>> the)<br>><br>> >You see many resources spent on transhumanism?<br>><br>> Increasingly, yes, and I wish to see that trend continue at an every<br>
<br></div>Garcon, I'd like to have whatever he's having. It's heady stuff.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> quickening pace. I more Capitalistic system would do wonders.<br><br></div>Capitalistic system. Yes, I'm sure it's all what it takes.<br>
<div class="im"><br>> > (Singularity. Wasting money on moon bases would only divert trillions of<br>> > dollars from money that should be otherwise be directed at something<br>> > productive for the human race.)<br>
><br>> >MWh feed, clothe and house people. With real information ecology,<br>> >MHw will directly power people.<br>><br>> MWh is? I think I get the gist, and have to say, the only way we hope to<br>> feed, clothe, and house people, is through continued freeing of state-run<br>
> nations to market-based ones, as we have been seeing happen world-wide. Good<br>> intentions aren't enough, nor realistic. Well-reasoned self-interested is<br>> the most empathetic people can be by providing the wealth needed to produce<br>
> the goods and services need for all people.<br><br></div>Less dogma, more traction.<br><br>--<br><font color="#888888">Eugen* Leitl <a href="<a href="http://leitl.org/" target="_blank">http://leitl.org</a>">leitl</a> <a href="http://leitl.org/" target="_blank">http://leitl.org</a><br>
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