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On 08/17/2011 05:09 PM, Will Steinberg wrote:
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<p>Samantha, was that post written by a liber-bot? An argument is
*not* regurgitated contradiction...</p>
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Stuff it. I said in the message this was the short form of
arguments already made and not responded to. <br>
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<p>On Aug 17, 2011 7:41 PM, "Samantha Atkins" <<a
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<p><font color="#500050">On 08/17/2011 09:09 AM, Amon Zero
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> I've just posted something new on my blog which might
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Amon, <br>
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You are still repeating several notions that I and others have
made sound or at least credible arguments against. This is
disappointing. Short version:<br>
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1) Abolishing all involuntary suffering is a bogus goal as any
negative feedback can be experienced as suffering or any less
than preferred outcomes whatsoever.<br>
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2) No central committee equivalent, whether technocratic and
meritocratic or not, can possibly respond better and as quickly
to all conditions as localized talents of perhaps equal
competency. So this is a rehash of central state being better
memes with insufficient justification.<br>
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3) No money means no fungible value tokens and thus no
sophisticated traded of goods and services and no means to vote
with said tokens for what uses of resources are more or less
desirable. This issue does not go away just because you have
MNT and/or AGI.<br>
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4) There is nothing wrong with debt or other risk trading per se
only with abusive forms and instruments. <br>
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5) Constraining business to the will of society is constraining
the productive (producing more value than consumed in doing so)
to the whims of a mythical ill-defined mob called "society". It
has nothing to do with a truly "new" century.<br>
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6) Free markets are not in the least what caused the current
economic crisis. Acting as if they are shows a singular lack of
understanding and a dangerous one embedded in a supposed policy
document. It is government that much change, not capitalism /
free markets. The embedded screed against capitalism is
uncalled for.<br>
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7) The notion that someone needs to be in charge is the largest
root of all evil that you seem to embrace.<br>
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Before you form a meaningful movement toward a better future you
need a much much clearer understanding of where we are, how
things work, and most especially a reasonably coherent set of
ethical and epistemological building blocks the rest is grounded
upon. What you list here is a hodgepodge of opinions and rather
commonplace assumptions and prejudices. It will not do. <br>
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- samantha<br>
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Amon
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