<div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/18 Will Steinberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steinberg.will@gmail.com">steinberg.will@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<p>The trouble that I see is that it undermines the notion of your subjective immortality. The soup becomes aleph-aleph and then it is every bit of possible mindedness. More of a god than any one mind's forever. </p>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not really my own idea of a god (see under Venus, Hermes, Shiva or Wotan/Odin).</div><div><br></div><div>But the real issue is: what is immortality about? It is about indefinite (that is, "as long as possible") survival. Now, we know that the concern of an organism for its own survival is just an evolutionary artifact originating from the "desire" of its genes to reproduce, nothing less nothing more.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Whenever such issue does not really come into play, and the related instinct is therefore spinning freely, "survival" can be defined arbitrarily on the basis of the metaphors that one personally finds emotionally satisfactory: buying into the idea of a christian-like concept of "soul", prolonging one's physical life by gradual replacement of biological body organs, leaving disciples or biographers behind, being stuffed and embalmed in a pyramid, achieving "undying glory", surviving in portraits and records, being recreated or resurrected or emulated in one form or another, in increasingly accurate fashions, by any technological means, possibly after a "suspension".</div>
<div><br></div><div>Personally, I am as programmed as anybody to strive for immortality, and I have a very different perception of the kinds thereof being offered by each of those avenues, but I really do not believe that very profound philosophical case can be presented for their differences. It is more a psychological and cultural than a physical or metaphysical issue.</div>
<div><br></div><div>For instance, as discussed many times I would not hesitate a split second to walk through a destructive teleport system allowing me to avoid check in, security and embarkment procedures in airports (and I suspect 99,8% of current air travellers would quickly come to agree with me should such a system suddenly become available). </div>
<div><br></div><div>On the other hand, I cannot say that I care much for my recreation in the mind of an omniscient Omega computer, or simply by the eternal return of the universe configuration providing for my existence once all other configurations have been exhausted. </div>
</div><div><br></div>-- <br>Stefano Vaj<br>