<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:18pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto" id=misspell-0 class=mark>Scerir<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR></SPAN> wrote:</SPAN></SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">"Of course the <SPAN id=misspell-1 class=mark>de</SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-2 class=mark>Broglie</SPAN> - <SPAN id=misspell-3 class=mark>Bohm</SPAN> theory seems to<BR style="RIGHT: auto">assert the existence of "empty" waves."</SPAN></div>
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<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I have an alternative view of the "empty" waves of</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN id=misspell-4 class=mark>de</SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-5 class=mark>Broglie</SPAN> - <SPAN id=misspell-6 class=mark>Bohm</SPAN> theory. In my theory they are</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">not waves but the accumulated interactions of</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Gregory S. Duane's "<SPAN id=misspell-7 class=mark>Hyperchaotic</SPAN> Synchronization".</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">As a particle travels it imprints its own synchronization</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">on other bodies then interacts with the results of that</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">synchronization as it continues to travel. This gives</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">the appearance of a "guiding wave" but in fact it is only</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">the particle interacting with an environment it has helped</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">to create. This was a primary assumption of my model</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">a little over 10 years before Duane documented the</SPAN></div>
<div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">substance of how that would work for entanglement.</SPAN></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>Duane, G.S., 2001: Violation of Bell’s inequality in synchronized <SPAN id=misspell-8 class=mark>hyperchaos</SPAN>, <I>Found. Phys. <SPAN id=misspell-9 class=mark>Lett</SPAN></I>., <B>14</B>, 341-353.</FONT></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3>Duane, G.S., 2005: Quantum <SPAN id=misspell-10 class=mark>nonlocality</SPAN> from synchronized chaos, </FONT><FONT size=3><I>Int. J. <SPAN id=misspell-11 class=mark>Theor</SPAN>.<BR>Phys., </I><B>44</B>, 1917-1932.</FONT></SPAN></div></div>
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<DIV style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=hr contentEditable=false readonly="true"></DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <SPAN id=misspell-12 class=mark>scerir</SPAN> <scerir@alice.it><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Dennis May <dennislmay@yahoo.com>; ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:09 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [ExI] Discontent with the path physics is taking<BR></FONT><BR>Dennis May:<BR><BR>Beginning in 1991 and continuing to this day I have noticed<BR>that <SPAN id=misspell-15 class=mark>de</SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-16
class=mark>Broglie</SPAN>-<SPAN id=misspell-17 class=mark>Bohm</SPAN> mechanics and related theories seem<BR>to generate more interest in Hispanic countries than most<BR>other countries. [...]<BR><BR># It is true. And I'd say that also in Italy there are <SPAN id=misspell-18 class=mark>wellknown</SPAN><BR>followers of <SPAN id=misspell-19 class=mark>Bohmian</SPAN> mechanics. Here is a paper trying to<BR>explain something ...<BR><A href="http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0508184" target=_blank>http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0508184</A><BR><BR>PS:<BR><BR>Of course the <SPAN id=misspell-20 class=mark>de</SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-21 class=mark>Broglie</SPAN> - <SPAN id=misspell-22 class=mark>Bohm</SPAN> theory seems to<BR>assert the existence of "empty" waves. There are<BR>experiments which seem to show that such waves<BR>do not exist.<BR><BR>Check 'empty waves' in these interesting books:<BR>-The Wave-Particle Duality, editor Franco <SPAN id=misspell-23
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