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On 09/01/2011 02:40 AM, Stefano Vaj wrote:
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 31 August 2011 18:55, Adrian Tymes <span
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<div class="im">> If anyone cares about marketing
transhumanism in the present, we</div>
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> should quit talking about destructive uploading. It is
a really<br>
> distasteful and (to my way of thinking) stupid way to
upload when<br>
> there are conceivable options that provide a path to
reversible<br>
> uploading as slick as boiling a frog.<br>
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Which options would those be?</blockquote>
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<div>i) Coming from "wet" transhumanism, I developed a keen
interest on its "hard" side when I joined the actual movement,
but basically in the nano-bio-info-cogno equation the bio
variable is going to remain very central for a very long time,
IHMO.</div>
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Personally I want to replace biological components of my body with
non-biological alternatives as fast as good alternatives exist and I
can legally (or successful black market) and financially do so. <br>
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<div>ii) Also in the way of autocriticism, we may have been
insisting a little too much on life-extensionism and survival
- something which is perhaps wrongly perceived as the most
popular and less threatening part of our discourse - and a
little too little on human enhancement, which seems after all
to mobilise at least an equal interest.</div>
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I agree with that. And cyborgization is a very very big deal. Our
phones for instance are effectively enhancements. Note that the
authorities claim the right to effectively lobotomize us or perform
mind rape as they prohibit these enhanchements from being used in
various places or ways or turn off the service if inconvenient to
them or to pacify us. And they take the devices from us and use
them to witness against us without any such niceties as probable
cause or search warrants. The battle lines are being drawn and they
are very important.<br>
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<div>Sure, "uploads" would serve in principle both purposes, but
for the latter a fyborg - which is by far the lower hanging
fruit - would work equally well.</div>
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Not to be confused with feyborgs. :)<br>
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- samantha<br>
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