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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Florent Berthet<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Destructive uploading.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2011/9/9 Stefano Vaj <<a href="mailto:stefano.vaj@gmail.com">stefano.vaj@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>>…</span>Just think to your everyday Islamic suicide bomber<span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span>overcoming of his knee-jerk survival instinct...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>And that, ironically, may be the reason why religious people could turn out to be the most enthusiastic about uploading: "Maybe this is what was meant in the Book! We will just be souls up there, living forever in a heavenly place!"<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>I wouldn't bet on that, but that'd be comical...<span style='color:#1F497D'> Florent<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bet on it Florent, it’s already that way in at least two major religious subgroups with over ten million followers worldwide. These two sects (that I know of) view the human as a mechanism, rather than some kind of transcendent being with a soul. The two groups reject the notion of a separable soul or a spirit. Rather they hold that the human body is analogous to any machine or any other beast: an exact copy theoretically could be created, and the new copy with different atoms in an identical configuration would have all the same outlooks, ideas, memories and so forth as the “original.” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is yet another take on the tired old identity debates we started here within minutes of the creation of the Extropy chat group, and which continue unabated to this day. The notion follows that given cryonic preservation and sufficiently advanced technology, a human theoretically could be resurrected or recreated in the indefinite future and could exist in something perfectly analogous to the original form.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But wait, there’s more. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In both of those religious groups, there is a widely held belief that only those who remain faithful to the end are to be given immortality (in a body of flesh, on a planet with a 1 G field, with a better but perfectly analogous everything to what we have now, minus the suffering and death.) Both those schools of thought reject the notion of assured salvation. If any true believer apostatizes, even in their senile dotage or in agony on their deathbed, that person is considered lost. (Damn that is a cruel notion.) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sooooo… What happens if such a believer opts for cryonics, then sometime in the indefinite future the clever scientists figure out how to upload, then the upload subsequently apostatizes, even though the original carbon unit was faithful right up to the last breath and the cold bath? The believer must assume the late apostates are lost. Therefore cryonics would introduce a theoretical risk to eternal salvation for any Jehovah’s Witness or Seventh Day Adventist who chooses it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Oy freaking vey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>