<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>I agree.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Dennis</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dan Ust <dan_ust@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:44 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[ExI] [atlantis_II] Ether vs. Relativity<br></font><br><div id="yiv1807500447"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="yiv1807500447Apple-style-span"><div>Not saying I agree with, but that's interesting and I think akin to Descartes view of the matter. (Cartesian materialism, anyone?) </div><div><br></div><div>I can see how basing fields that way (not a new idea, of course) can be viewed as the solution to many problems. </div><div><br></div><div>I also see this as an update of Greek atomism. Do you agree?<br><br>Regards,<div><br></div><div>Dan</div></div><div><br>On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Dennis May <<a href="mailto:dennislmay@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:dennislmay@yahoo.com">dennislmay@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px;" type="cite"><div><div style="font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yiv1807500447ygrp-mlmsg"><div
style="line-height: 1.22em;" id="yiv1807500447ygrp-msg"><div style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;" id="yiv1807500447ygrp-text"><div style="margin: 0px 0px 1em; line-height: 1.22em;">I wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> I support an aether based relativity. The Lorentz-Poincaré<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> idea of what would compose an aether is not the kind of<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> aether I would support but the basics are there for<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> expanding and changing the theory for a different kind<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> of aether theory. I have discussed this type of aether<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> elsewhere - primarily on physics_frontier on YahooGroups.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> This aether is composed of vast numbers of particles much<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> much smaller than the smallest
known subatomic particles. <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> They travel much much faster than the speed of light. There<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> is also a sea of very low energy photons in this background. <br style="line-height: 1.22em;"> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">Dan Ust wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> Is you view that this must be particle-based to banish fields <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> from physics? Or why do you believe there are really tiny <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> particles? Is this akin to Ancient Greek atomism? (Not trying <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> to be sarcastic, but wondering if this is all based on some of <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> local contact being the fundamental way things interact in <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">> your view.)<br style="line-height:
1.22em;"> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">It is my view that all fields are composed of particles and some<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">kind of local contact. Every attempt to get away from particle <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">based fields has eventually run into dead ends, the requirement<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">for endless epicycles, or stagnation where different portions of<br style="line-height: 1.22em;">physics cannot be reconciled.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;"> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;">Dennis May<span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 17px;" class="yiv1807500447Apple-style-span">__,_._,___</span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span></blockquote></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org"
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