<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Stefano <span id="misspell-0" class="mark">Vaj</span> wrote:</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>> Yes. My personal answer to Fermi's paradox is much </span></div><div><span>> more along the lines of Wolfram's.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span><a href="http://www.marcuschown.com/kelvinsample.htm">http://www.marcuschown.com/kelvinsample.htm</a></span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">"If you do not like Wolfram's rather
unorthodox </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">explanation of the Fermi paradox, then you are </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">left essentially with
two plausible options: either </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">there is some murderous race out there in the
</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Galaxy - in which case perhaps we should be </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">cautious about overtly announcing
our </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">presence - or we are the first intelligence to </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">have arisen and therefore and
utterly alone </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">in the Milky Way. Then again, there could </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">still be some
explanation nobody has yet </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">thought of."</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span> </div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Wolfram essentially said we won't recognize</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">advanced alien technology when we see it</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">and the aliens are sitting at home on their</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">computers because anything of interest can</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt;
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">be found there.</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span> </div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">I have said before elsewhere that alien radio</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">signals would appear to be noise. The military</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">was publicly discussing the advantages of </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">impulse wide band </span></span><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">encrypted radio back in the</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:
Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">late 1980s. As Wolfram said - once you make</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">it efficient it looks like white noise.</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span> </div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Some other efficient alien technology may</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">also </span></span><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">take on forms we don't recognize.</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span> </div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma;
font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Dan <span id="misspell-1" class="mark">Ust</span> has often pointed out that not all</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">alien civilizations are going to take the same</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">path so why don't we see the upstarts,</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">those who don't follow custom, or civilizations</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">with a different outlook?</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span> </div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">I view
the <span id="misspell-2" class="mark">SETI</span> effort as too small so far to</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">catch <span id="misspell-3">unusual</span> aliens or stray signals not </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">following a general </span></span><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">pattern. I support the</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">idea that rather than a "murderous race"</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">we are looking at a generalized military</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">strategy for all times and all
places - how</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">to render <span id="misspell-3" class="mark">WoMD</span> largely ineffective even </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">considering the </span></span><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">energy scales in space.</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span> </div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span id="misspell-4" class="mark">Superstealth</span> - <span id="misspell-5" class="mark">SND</span> as discussed in a previous</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;">post.</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span> </div><div><span><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Dennis May<var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var></span></span></div></div></body></html>