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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Amon Zero<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] The twists & turns of politics & idealism (was: The End of the Future)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2011/10/5 spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Good idea. Note the difference between a tea party rally and Occupy Wall Street. I read the signs for Occupy and I am completely flummoxed. I don’t know what they want. Do you? </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>…</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>></span>Hey Spike -<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>Yeah, I agree entirely. I do sympathise greatly with the Occupy protestors, but I don't believe that their protests will change anything significant<span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span>The other thing I should point out is that I'm not anti-Capitalist, per se. As it said in the leaflet, I 'merely' advocate a society in which capitalism has a healthy role and level of influence within society, but is not allowed disproportionate control. Capitalism (or the banking system, more specifically) should not be the be-all and end-all of society, in my opinion.<span style='color:#1F497D'> –</span> A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ja, but more specifically, what is it that is being promoted with Occupy? That is what I still don’t get. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>About 15 yrs ago, there were a number of anti-capitalism rallies in San Jose, not big ones, but they were getting attention. They had the same problem then: down with capitalism, so up with… what? A number of us decided to counter-protest, so we all got out there and carried Up With Capitalism signs. It was a hoot, really a lot of fun. Several of us showed up in our business clothes, so there we were out there in wool suit and tie, carrying signs supporting the status quo.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I don’t really see the Occupy folks specifically promoting anything. If they want to imprison the top 1% and seize their wealth, suddenly there is a new top 1%. Do they suggest seizing them too? And then what about the next new 1%? Rinse and repeat? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>