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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>On Behalf Of </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Amon Zero<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] The twists & turns of politics & idealism (was: The End of the Future)<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2011/10/6 spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Ja, but more specifically, what is it that is being promoted with Occupy? That is what I still don’t get. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>In a nutshell, I agree with you. I also think this is something like a re-run of the 90s anti-Cap protests, with exactly the same flaws as you say. I doubt it's a case that no-one has attempted to concoct realistic goals or big-picture strategy, but all of the factions that comprise the movement would never agree on any single conventional ideology or principle. <span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span>- A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK so now there is a list of demands. Of course most of them are absurd, but there is one on that list which I have been pounding the drum for a long time, demand ten. We need verifiable paper ballot elections. Demands six and seven can be met using Zimbabwe dollars. Demand four can be met partially: we should offer free diplomas, kinda like what the Wizard of Oz gave the straw guy. spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/">http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand four: Free college education.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Lloyd J Hart 508-687-9153<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>