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</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">I wrote:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111102092929.htm">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111102092929.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
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> An interesting spin on the Fermi Paradox - 12 billion years ago<br>
> there were whole galaxies more chemically mature than our sun. <br>
> About a year or two ago I recall discussion somewhere about <br>
> how we are alone because it has only been recently that sufficient <br>
> chemicals for life were available - according to the Big Bang theory.<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;">
<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;">
<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">Dan
Ust wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Maybe the age estimates are wrong, but it
still seems like that <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>wouldn't explain nearer ones being less
"chemically mature." <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Is your suggestion that there's a process
that resets the clock <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>here -- and, further, that this process it technological?<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">No my suggestion is that the
universe is indefinitely old.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There are<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">some mature galaxies at the edge
of observation – this has been the <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">case no matter how far back the observations
look.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Unfortunately<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">bright galaxies usually mean
young galaxies so there is cherry <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">picking biasing the belief that
galaxies far away are generally <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">chemically young [easy to see] – this
seems true unless you <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">methodically count them all.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Young galaxies poor in metals have<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">been observed nearby.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">This indicates by observation
that the Big Bang age is not correct.<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">There should be no old galaxies
near the beginning of the Big Bang<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">age and there should be no metal
poor new galaxies nearby but both<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">have been observed.<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">I have discussed my views on how
this comes about elsewhere<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">[Physics_Frontier at Yahoogroups].<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Short summary:<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">New galaxies are continually forming
from a combination of light <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">gases ejected into intergalactic
space and matter/energy recycling<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">due to non-linear QM
effects.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Our own sun has been observed<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">ejecting high velocity streams
preferentially sorting Hydrogen<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">and Helium by velocity and
leaving other elements far behind.<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">The observation of the ratio of
hydrogen to helium could be <o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">nothing more than the averaging
of such ejection methods with<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">heavier materials generally left
behind.<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">New galaxies are always forming
but old ones lose material<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">to the rest of the universe
though conventional methods plus<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">non-linear QM.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What we see is the balance formed over an<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">indefinitely long period of time.<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;"><o:p><font size="3"> </font></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
</font><div><span style="color: black; font-size: 14pt;">Dennis May<o:p></o:p></span></div><font size="3">
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