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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>>…</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Giovanni Santostasi<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Capitalism, anti capitalism, emotional arousal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>>>…</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Because so many of the participants appear to engage in hunting for drugs and gathering other people’s personal property?</span><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>spike</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>I think it is unfair to characterize the movement because of these individuals (that are likely a minority). Unfortunately there are many young people that do drugs and also this kind of social events attract a lot of people that are into drugs and other dysfunctional ways to deal with stress and the difficulties of life. But OWS cannot be reduced to a bunch of hippies and rastafarians. I expect better from this group.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Giovanni<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Giovanni, the OWS movement is inherently a target for that element of society. Compare for instance any video of any Occupy gathering anywhere, then compare with video from any Tea Party gathering anywhere. What do you find most striking?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I will freely grant that the OWS movement has those among them who really are just the homeless and crazy, but the underlying premise seems to attract these. I never recall seeing them at the Tea Party functions. But the OWS movement must face the fact that the premises under which it formed will naturally result in cognitive dissonance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For instance, is it not easily foreseen that camping in a park displaces the local feral humans who have been camping there for some time? If the feral humans put away their “Will Work For Food” signs and make “Support Occupy Wall Street” signs, then pocket the money, is that not perfectly legitimate? Or at least as legitimate as their absurd claim that they will work for food? And if the OWS people either fight the cops or barricade them out, is it not easily foreseen that the cops will go around town, round up all the homeless crazies and take them over to Zuccotti? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Consider: Youtube video shows a protester, Rocky Iskender, delivering a well deserved thrashing to a crazy homeless guy:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-T-I2ZZgE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-T-I2ZZgE</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Then afterwards, OWS security, in the yellow vest with the + sign, hauls the deranged screamer away, again perfectly legitimately so it would seem. However, if you watch, the OWS protester threw the first punch (the water bottle), and certainly the best one. The homeless screamer did not actually commit assault other than audio. So legally, both Rocky Iskender and the unidentified OWS security guard could be charged with assault! The evidence is as abundant as anything that ever makes it to court. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cops know they can’t punch out the crazy homeless guy. But the OWS people are not cops, nor are the OWS makeshift security team.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So the OWS people are already mired in self-contradiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Another example: a highly regarded black civil rights guy, congressman John Lewis, is pointedly refused the opportunity to speak at the Occupy Atlanta gathering. A white guy is the one speaking and organizing the vote to disallow Lewis. They spend several minutes deciding they will not allow Rep. Lewis a few minutes to speak:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Contrast, the October 2010 Tea Party rally, in which the keynote speaker was a minority, and a strong defender of civil rights. In fact, as I recall, nearly all the speakers that day were minorities:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://sanramon.patch.com/articles/conservative-talk-at-tea-party-rally-in-pleasanton">http://sanramon.patch.com/articles/conservative-talk-at-tea-party-rally-in-pleasanton</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ironically, the movement which repeatedly demonstrates that it is not racist is repeatedly attacked for being racist, while the movement which demonstrated on video available to the whole world that it is clearly racist is said to stand against racism.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gio, I recognize the actions of the few do not represent the views of the many, but notice the vote at Occupy Atlanta. Apparently the views of the many Tea Partiers is to include, to welcome minorities, and the views of the many OWSers is apparently racist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Do the OWSers get a free pass? Why? Had we *<b>ever</b>* seen such a shameful thing at a Tea Party rally, would we too get a free pass? Why not?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>