Kelly,<div>One of the most catholic place in the world is Italy. </div><div>But would you consider such a place anti-intellectual? It was the birthplace of Renaissance,</div><div>Leonardo, Galileo....</div><div><br></div><div>
Giovanni</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Kelly Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kellycoinguy@gmail.com">kellycoinguy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I agree that the evolution of morality is partially genetic and<br>
partially memetic... The bigger part would have to be memetic though,<br>
just because memes reproduce faster than genes in human populations.<br>
I'm improvising on this post, so don't take anything I'm saying here<br>
too seriously, it's just to start a conversation. And if anything here<br>
sounds racist, or anti-anyone, please I ask your forgiveness up front.<br>
<br>
One thing that I haven't heard anyone think about out loud is the<br>
effect of a thousand+ years of Catholicism on our genes (we all know<br>
more or less what it did to our memes)... The Catholic faith was<br>
pretty efficient at a few things that might have had a genetic<br>
impact...<br>
<br>
1) Heretics, Muslims and Jews were occasionally slaughtered, though<br>
probably not in great enough numbers to have a huge genetic effect.<br>
<br>
2) Religious orders (monks, priests and nuns) tended to attract those<br>
who were interested in an intellectual life. Obviously, their<br>
reproduction was sharply curtailed being in these religious orders.<br>
Would that imply that Catholicism decreased intellectualism in those<br>
areas where it was practiced for many centuries?<br>
<br>
3) Catholic beliefs about food (fish Friday, wine, dirty water) might<br>
have had some impact, as did their support of kings and the political<br>
orders under kings.<br>
<br>
4) Catholicism and feudalism meant very limited travel for most<br>
people. This could have led to prejudice, insofar as that is genetic,<br>
but probably more importantly, it created islands where specific genes<br>
that would otherwise have been bred out of a larger population became<br>
more prevalent. This may be more especially the case for recessives.<br>
<br>
5) Might there have been a breeding advantage to those who truly<br>
believed leading to more true believers? Might there have been other<br>
breeding advantages related to Catholic beliefs?<br>
<br>
6) Did feudal beliefs about bathing increase the capacity of the<br>
overall immune system of those who survived? Same with the black<br>
death...<br>
<br>
7) Could there have been effects on rates of promiscuity in the gene<br>
pool from Catholic punishments of adultery and fornication, as well as<br>
the negative effects of being a bastard?<br>
<br>
8) Insofar as ethics are genetic, there may be other impacts of our<br>
brush with the papacy.<br>
<br>
It's an interesting topic, at least to me. These are just starting<br>
points for discussion. I actually think that number 2 is probably one<br>
of the more plausible scenarios... but I don't know how you would go<br>
about testing such a hypothesis without the standard accusations of<br>
racism coming up immediately.<br>
<br>
-Kelly<br>
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