<div class="gmail_quote">On 15 December 2011 00:59, The Avantguardian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avantguardian2020@yahoo.com">avantguardian2020@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> From: PJ Manney <<a href="mailto:pjmanney@gmail.com">pjmanney@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> As a resident Ashkenazi (which simply means "German" in Medieval<br>
> Hebrew), please allow me to weigh in. Jews will tell you the<br>
> following might have exerted pressures on their culture and gene pool<br>
> for increased intelligence:<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>The rest of your message corresponds pretty much to what I know and think on the subject and develops it in interesting directions. I would also recommend here <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Abrahams-Children-Identity-Chosen-People/dp/0446580635/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1323970461&sr=8-4"></a>
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<i><a class="title" href="http://www.amazon.com/Abrahams-Children-Identity-Chosen-People/dp/0446580635/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1323970461&sr=8-4">Abraham's Children: Race, Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People</a></i>
<span class="ptBrand">by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Jon-Entine/e/B001IGO9RK/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_4?qid=1323970461&sr=8-4">Jon Entine</a> and the subject is also marginally touched in </span><i><a class="title" href="http://www.amazon.com/Before-Dawn-Recovering-History-Ancestors/dp/014303832X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323970696&sr=8-1">Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors</a></i>
<span class="ptBrand">by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nicholas-Wade/e/B001H6WF40/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1323970695&sr=8-1">Nicholas Wade</a>.<br></span>
</div></div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> 2) Your above mentioned experiences in trade. Jews traveled all over<br>
> Europe and Asia as soon as trade routes were established. They<br>
> settled in Europe in the early middle ages. It's how the Ashkenazim<br>
> (a branch of Judaism) as a genetic pool even exist. A few traveling<br>
> traders/bankers married gentile/pagan women. Supposedly, it's how<br>
> many Ashkenazim got red/blonde hair, green/blue eyes, etc. </blockquote><div><br>Of course, a genetic pool exists inasmuch as there are reproductive differentials, as opposed to panmixia. <br><br>What makes the Jewish case interesting is that while I maintain that all societies and cultures can be seen (also) as eugenic experiments on a very large scale, the Jews' (relative) historical endogamy has very little to do with geographic segregation and even more than usually with a sense of collective identity. Moreover, I suspect that the social mechanisms involved in the occasional interbreeding with Gentiles in average actually brought in "good" genes (say, a rich merchant marrying a beautiful/smart/healthy Gentile girl), rather than diluting whatever might have been the group traits in the process of being selected by the factors you mention.<br>
</div></div><br>-- <br>Stefano Vaj<br>