<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span class="jainfolabel"><b><span lang="RU" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0pt"> </span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span class="jainfolabel"><span style="color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0pt">></span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#222222"> “Try not to worry
about asking questions that might be construed as</span> politically incorrect
or malicious, if it comes from a good and curious place.”<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="jainfolabel"><span style="color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0pt"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span class="jainfolabel"><span style="color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0pt"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span class="jainfolabel"><span style="color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0pt">Yes, Inbreeding as such (keeping
the genome stable) does seem to play a role in longevity.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span class="jainfolabel"><span style="color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0pt"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span class="jainfolabel"><span style="color:#333333;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0pt">This has even been suggested for
humans by Guiseppe Passarino</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?order=wbapi_data_value_2009+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc">http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?order=wbapi_data_value_2009+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">Still the data on the effects of inbreeding are vastly inconsistent,
even for such presumably well studied animals as cats and dogs.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">Also very curiously, as of 2009, the five countries with the highest
life expectancy were 1) San Marino
(83 years), 2) Japan (83),
3) Hong Kong (83), 4) Switzerland
(82), 5) Israel
(82) – all are communities with apparently relatively high genetic
homogeneity/inbreeding.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><a href="http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?order=wbapi_data_value_2009+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc">http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?order=wbapi_data_value_2009+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">The reason I was worrying about the “political correctness” is that
this kind of data would be normally cited by rabid nationalists (which I hope I
am not). And I have actually seen them cite similar evidence (interestingly,
regarding most nations they use the terms “low genetic diversity” and “keeping
to the roots” while regarding the Jews it’s usually “inbreeding” and “enclosure.”)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">Still, as you say, perhaps that should not be a cause to disregard a
phenomenon so interesting and potentially significant for life-extension. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">Ilia</p><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:05 PM, PJ Manney <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pjmanney@gmail.com">pjmanney@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2011/12/15 Stefano Vaj <<a href="mailto:stefano.vaj@gmail.com">stefano.vaj@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div class="im">> The rest of your message corresponds pretty much to what I know and think<br>
> on the subject and develops it in interesting directions. I would also<br>
> recommend here<br>
> Abraham's Children: Race, Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People by Jon<br>
> Entine and the subject is also marginally touched in Before the Dawn:<br>
> Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors by Nicholas Wade.<br>
<br>
</div>Thanks for these. I'm just starting some serious research into the subject.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> What makes the Jewish case interesting is that while I maintain that all<br>
> societies and cultures can be seen (also) as eugenic experiments on a very<br>
> large scale, the Jews' (relative) historical endogamy has very little to do<br>
> with geographic segregation and even more than usually with a sense of<br>
> collective identity. Moreover, I suspect that the social mechanisms involved<br>
> in the occasional interbreeding with Gentiles in average actually brought in<br>
> "good" genes (say, a rich merchant marrying a beautiful/smart/healthy<br>
> Gentile girl), rather than diluting whatever might have been the group<br>
> traits in the process of being selected by the factors you mention.<br>
<br>
</div>Absolutely! I joke that I married my non-Jewish husband to add hybrid<br>
vigor to my bloodline. (Well that, and he's adorable!) He's half<br>
Norwegian, half German and has a very different 23 and Me profile and<br>
haplogroup than me. And so far, my children are proving I'm right!<br>
:-)<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
PJ<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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