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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Fyi.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> natasha@natasha.cc [mailto:natasha@natasha.cc] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 30, 2012 2:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> spike; max@maxmore.com<br><b>Subject:</b> email from Hayles (Fwd: Re: Wrestling with Embodiment)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Dear Natasha Vita-More, Thanks for your clarification. This makes perfect sense to me. With best wishes, Kate Hayles<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "<a href="mailto:natasha@natasha.cc">natasha@natasha.cc</a>" <<a href="mailto:natasha@natasha.cc">natasha@natasha.cc</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nk_hayles@yahoo.com">nk_hayles@yahoo.com</a> <br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:natasha@natasha.cc">natasha@natasha.cc</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 30, 2012 4:56 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Wrestling with Embodiment</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>Dear Ms. Hayles,<br><br>I never wrote or implied that you think think humans are disembodied. That would be a rather strange notion. I wrote that you assumed transhumanists support disembodiement based on your interpretation of Moravec.<br><br>This issue or question then is whether or not transhumanists agree with, infer, or support disembodiment. The easy, quick answer is no. Disembodiement is not the view within the scope of transhumanism and is not the vision for the future human or person, no matter the form or substrate.<br><br>I do not know Jeff Davis. I am aware he is on the Extropy email list. I think he either misquoted those of us on this thread or misinterpreted the contents of the thread, which is substantive and rich in views and heady arguments, but they all come out that it would not be possible to exist as a person and be disembodied.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br>Natasha<br><br>Natasha Vita-More<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>