On 6 February 2012 13:39, Ben Zaiboc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bbenzai@yahoo.com">bbenzai@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
BillK <<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com">pharos@gmail.com</a>> jested:<br>
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> But, of course, Jesus may not actually have said that ...<br>
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Presumably this was said in jest, and it did make me laugh, but I'm now wondering how many people, on this list and elsewhere, that are not religious, actually believe there was a Jesus.<br>
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I don't mean believe in Jesus as in 'this guy who totally existed, was the son of some god or other', but in the sense of believing there was a single person that these stories are based on. I'd have thought it patently obvious that Jesus is a kind of King Arthur or Robin Hood figure, a composite myth from many stories over a long period of time. There is absolutely no historical evidence for such a figure (afaik, please correct me if I'm wrong on that. With references, obviously!).<br>
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"Jesus may not have actually said that" sounds very like "King Arthur may not have actually lived at Camelot" to me. Am I in a minority?<br>
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Ben Zaiboc<br></blockquote><div><br><br>It's a fine point, and one I agree with. However, as I've noted here before, implying some person is fictional tends to make believers and unbelievers alike sense that the person must in some way be less valuable than if they'd been "real". What this means is that some believers may understand it to be true that the historical Jesus is a composite character at best, but would feel uneasy about acknowledge the fact, lest it imply that Jesus is thereby devalued.<br>
<br>Me, I have no problem with the greatest teachers being partially or wholly fictitious. It works for Pythagoras, so why not Jesus?<br><br>Hell, fictional & composite characters could be the chosen people of Greg Egan's "God Who Makes No Difference". Although I suppose He is their antithesis. He's a god that exists but might as well not, whereas the likes of Jesus or Robin Hood have tangible effects in our world regardless of whether they ever actually existed at all...<br>
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