<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2012 15:55, BillK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com">pharos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Your example works fine when low-level processors work on bits of a problem.<br>
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But Keith was talking about whole civilisations.<br>
Long communication delays mean that they will no longer be one unified<br>
civilisation. They will diverge into separate civilisations. </blockquote><div><br>What escapes me is why this should be the case, rather than a continuous civilisation/mind, increasingly diverging with distance but without any substantial quantum leaps, as it used to be the case for, say, the Roman Empire from the Scotian to the Persian border.<br>
<br>Mind, I do prefer a scenario of multiple, diverse and somewhat "independent" units. But this require some "border" to exist, defining an "in" and an "out" even though "closeness" is equal in the opposite direction, and I suspect that such borders will of a voluntary and arbitrary nature, and sometimes with grey areas in-between - not so differently from our current and past experiences of human cultures themselves.<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">As such, the communication delays would stop the mind growing above a<br>
certain size, because it would take too long to reach a decision. </blockquote><div><br>This is the point. How do we deal with that *today*? We decentralise. At an organic, computing, corporate and political level. When does something become independent enough to stop being considered as part of an entity/system? It is a matter of POVs, and dubious cases abound.<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The mind itself will decide what the optimum size would be for calculating<br>
efficiency and if it wants to expand then it would build another mind<br>
next door.<br clear="all"></blockquote></div><br>This assumes that some ontological difference exists between, say, the computer and the network, an attitude which is probably based on the very steep decrease of informational exchange speed when we step outside an organic brain and try to communicate with neurons in another one, notwithstanding the fact that they may be spatially closer than the opposite side of my head.<br>
<br>I am inclined instead to consider such distinction upon closer inspection much fuzzier than one might think.<br><br>So, in an informationally dense universe, to decide where a "mind" begins and another stops may not be so easy. Even though, admittedly, vast semi-void spaces between denser "islands", such as interstellar or intergalactic gaps, might provide the breaks and the asymmetries serving this purpose (if you are Pluto, it is not the same to communicate with the inner system and with Alpha Centauri).<br>
<br>-- <br>Stefano Vaj<br>