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Extropians,<br>
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There seems to already be an emerging expert consensus theory that
predicts exactly how to define this stuff and how science is about
to prove such is true - which if such does occur, as being
predicted, it will obviously prove to everyone that they are right,
and what consciousness is.<br>
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At least there is a clear consensus, till you get down to the
difference between "Functional Property Dualism" (Chalmers'
"subjective" camp where a quale like redness is correlated with the
right function, whether it is neurons or silicon see:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/8">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/8</a>) vs "Material Property Dualism",
more of an "essentialist" camp that predicts without the right
stuff, in the right state, no redness quale is possible. (see:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/7">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/7</a> ) Obviously both of these are
very testable theories for which it is only a matter of time till
they demonstrate which one is THE ONE.<br>
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My money is with the consensus and the Materialst view. What about
you? Any other view?<br>
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Brent Allsop<br>
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On 5/26/2012 5:04 PM, Will Steinberg wrote:
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cite="mid:CAKrqSyH4DAxRueCCQhsFonVhXoXCMJY7-tGzyiuiztBURYTPCA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">This guy gets it!<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Stefano
Vaj <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stefano.vaj@gmail.com" target="_blank">stefano.vaj@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">On 26 May 2012 00:09, Will Steinberg <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steinberg.will@gmail.com" target="_blank">steinberg.will@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Yes, I think consciousness needs redefinition
somehow. </p>
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<div>It need not really be a "subjective" or "essentialist"
consciousness definition, OTOH. <br>
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Let us just say that a universe where an increasing
presence exists of entities exhibiting behaviours making
it easy to hallucinate our internal states on them is
aesthetically more pleasant in cosmic terms for most of
us. :-)<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>
Stefano Vaj<br>
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