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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thank you. … And, on another note, I too long for my earliest life, as so illustrated by Lynn Margulis in <i>What is Life?</i> A stunning story of how humans are the result of a conglomeration of bacterium.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.natasha.cc/"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Natasha Vita-More</span></a><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chairman, <a href="http://www.humanityplus.org/"><span style='color:windowtext'>Humanity+</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>CCO, esDesign <emerging / speculative media><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>PhD Researcher, Univ. of Plymouth, UK<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Editor, <i>The Transhumanist Reader: Classical and ContemporaryEssays on the Science, <br>Technology and Philosophy of the Human Future<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>"The things one feels absolutely certain about are never true. Oscar Wilde<br><i> (But is this true then?)<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Giovanni Santostasi<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] He's Back - Carrico's continued ranting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Beautiful article, Natasha.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But to be honest I really have nostalgia for the times when I was an unicellular organism. Life was so simple and symmetric at that time. I was almost perfectly round, and I didn't know left from right, with all the political and existential tension that these terms can bring.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My beautiful and elegant body was without sensory or motor organs but the currents in the water were carrying me around in an exciting, ever changing unforeseeable swirling existence. A real dance of life. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was bumping into food and that was such a blessing, and even if went hungry at times, I didn't really care because I had not a nervous system to experience such negative sensation. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now, I have to actually, not really hunt my food, but at a minimum lift my butt from the chair to go to a refrigerator and do the effort to open it and look for eatable stuff in it (not always simple). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I never understood these multi-cellular cultist that wanted to do the next "step" in evolution. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Such beautiful life the life of a bacterium. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Giovanni<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Natasha Vita-More <<a href="mailto:natasha@natasha.cc" target="_blank">natasha@natasha.cc</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>She is another negative, but at least somewhat civil voice. A couple of years ago she claimed transhumanists don’t dance, like our bodies, enjoy senses, etc. Here is my response to her claims: </span><a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/vitamore20090610/" target="_blank">http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/vitamore20090610/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Giovanni Santostasi<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:45 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] He's Back - Carrico's continued ranting<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right'><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>And what is with this</span> <span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";background:white'><a href="http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/bio/andreadis/" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'>Athena Andreadis</span></a>, why she is making a big deal about Giulio's views on women? Where do he says anything disparaging against women in the reference she gives? Is she a friend or ally? She publishes on IEET. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>What is her problem?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Giovanni</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Giulio Prisco <<a href="mailto:giulio@gmail.com" target="_blank">giulio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I don't really dislike him, he writes fun and often interesting<br>(other) things. He dislikes us all though, without distinctions.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Kelly Anderson <<a href="mailto:kellycoinguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">kellycoinguy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM, <<a href="mailto:natasha@natasha.cc" target="_blank">natasha@natasha.cc</a>> wrote:<br>>> Appologizes for posting this icky link that someone forwarded to me:<br>>><br>>> <<a href="http://www.wfs.org/blogs/dale-carrico/how-write-your-transhumanist-article-helpful-guide-for-more-profitable-prophesyin" target="_blank">http://www.wfs.org/blogs/dale-carrico/how-write-your-transhumanist-article-helpful-guide-for-more-profitable-prophesyin</a>><br>>><br>>> I don't have it in me to read it or respond to it, but some of you might.<br>><br>> I dunno... I found it mildly humorous, although his logic is<br>> admittedly pretty weak. I guess the rest of you have history with him<br>> that taints how you see what he writes in this particular instance...<br>> Must be a pretty lame guy for all of you great people to dislike him.<br>> :-)<br>><br>> -Kelly<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> extropy-chat mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>